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Post by jopierce on Dec 28, 2006 13:16:53 GMT -5
Yeah, Dr Mona!
LOL! I can't tell you how many times I see nonsense written or filmed about my field that makes me yell out "Foul!!!"
But it's the silliness of it all that makes it so wonderful. It's what's so great about GAH!
YEAH!!!
In Trek Fandom, we have a work - YATI. Yet another technical inconsistency. Oh booooooy... trek aint got nothin on GAH!!
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Post by MelMac on Dec 28, 2006 13:23:34 GMT -5
Wow, comments have been flying quickly on this thread and all so interesting! I'm going back a few comments to the idea of whether Bill was dead or not. Neither Cyler nor Ralph are medically oriented in any way. For one thing, finding a pulse in a person's neck can be hard to do--it's not just touch the neck and there you go. There are muscles and veins to go around and the trachea, etc. Just because Cyler palpated Bill's neck for one second doesn't mean he made a correct diagnosis. As for Ralph, look at the wrong way he does CPR; we do NOT sit on someone's abdomen to do that. For one thing, it is HARDER to breath with someone sitting on you, and so is contra-indicated when you are trying to GET them to breathe! We take one demerit away from Ralph's "egghead" status for that stunt! And to be even more medically pendantic, if the chandelier had indeed crushed Bill's skull enough to kill him, then blood, brain, skull bits, etc would be littering the floor and Bill's hair, clothes, etc. So, given that he just has a "bump" at the hospital; and neither Ralph nor Cyler could probably find their OWN pulses, let alone someone's weaker unconscious one; and Ralph could have killed a failing Bill by sitting on him, anyway, (and who wants to think that Ralph, not the chandelier, actually killed Bill?), ;-), I like to think that Bill was only grazed by the chandelier and was simply unconscious when Sheila took over. The eye color change was a way cool method of showing that, btw. (Dr) Mona While I agree it's dumb to sit on someone's stomach while doing CPR... it appears Ralph is on Bill's legs. Yes, still not effective, but I don't see him sitting on Bill's stomach in the episode. I've believed he was just out for the takeover when Shelia entered him. That was all that was needed if you really think about it given that he'd been able to fight her otherwise had he been conscious. Claye's fanfic about her return and mine with Carlini possessing Aidan, both characters involved in the possession were unconscious, but how I'm not saying as it's two spoilers. I do agree about pulses and such. Both Cyler and Ralph do have their hands on the wrong part to check for a pulse, so it'd been more difficult to detect it. Cyler only checks Bill's wrist, not his neck. Ralph does Bill's neck and it's done wrong. (I might not be a doctor, but I can detect my own pulse and know how to in others if necessary.)
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 28, 2006 13:27:14 GMT -5
I am not saying that they are medically sound, but at the same time, you cannot prove that he was NOT dead just because they may be CPR incompetent. Besides, it fits more with the mood of the episode to have Bill dead and have the kids trying to console Ralph. Great scene overall even if not correct. As for Cyler, at least he tried. He was probably never taught, but Ralph should have known better.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 28, 2006 13:32:13 GMT -5
One odd thing too... for a place that supposedly didn't have much to scavange, they had a lot of tables and chairs. You'd think they'd have auctioned off those items or had an estate sale prior to Ralph and the others being allowed to strip the place for fixtures/etc.
BTW, I like this idea for three reasons: Kids get something from it, and two, it helps, in a way, to keep part of that history intact. Third, someone could use the items from the mansion and put them to good use. When they tore down a mall in Houston, the contractors/old stores let churches strip the stores for old fixtures/lights/etc. for their use in the churches. Helped a few starting churches that way as they didn't have all the finances at the time for some of them. In one case, they got top of the line stuff as the store just remodeled before the mall was up for demolition.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 28, 2006 13:37:35 GMT -5
Good thinking, Mona. I agree that people should have brains gushing out too to be more realistic, but a mangled body would do Sheila no good. Plus, people have been hit on the temple before and died...why could that not be the same for Bill? When trying to move Tony, he gets a feeling...looks up...and CLONK! I think he was dead.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 28, 2006 14:01:09 GMT -5
Eh, unconscious, dead, totally spaced out seeing the little birdies swirling around his head... doesn't matter. All I'll say it is one of the creepiest scenes in the series simply because here's Bill... and he might be dead. We find out he's OK... but not really OK because Shelia's possessing him and she tries to kill Ralph (or scare him out of his wits. That works well for the suit not letting him see Bill for a while.) The table being noticibly a breakaway before it's hit though is a bit silly.
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Post by billswoman on Dec 28, 2006 14:50:01 GMT -5
Jo said "In Trek Fandom, we have a work - YATI. Yet another technical inconsistency. Oh booooooy... trek aint got nothin on GAH!!" Wow, I've been a trekkie/trekker since I was 10, and I'd never heard this. I must've missed the memo (I was a trekkie first, I'm ashamed to admit.)
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Post by jopierce on Dec 28, 2006 15:05:14 GMT -5
Jo said "In Trek Fandom, we have a work - YATI. Yet another technical inconsistency. Oh booooooy... trek aint got nothin on GAH!!" Wow, I've been a trekkie/trekker since I was 10, and I'd never heard this. I must've missed the memo (I was a trekkie first, I'm ashamed to admit.) It is also sometimes Yet Another Trek Inconsistencey.
www.ex-astris-scientia.org/database/glossary.htm#y
BTW, that must have been the same memo where they officially said Bill was mine... all mine...
Everyone ELSE got the memo, didn't they?? Right???
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Post by MelMac on Dec 28, 2006 16:43:51 GMT -5
Or Doctor Who for that matter. They can't even decided a set concept for what the Daleks and Cybermen can/can't do over time (not to mention for supposedly unemotional beings, Cybermen have changed their appearnace slightly each time they've appeared in the series. Daleks haven't. ) Needless to say, it's the inconsistencies too that make the show work as well as it does. (Though I'll always debate the "gassing" bit in "Jim." That was just too hokey.)
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Post by MelMac on Dec 29, 2006 10:46:30 GMT -5
I'd also like to have seen the telephone booth Cyler got the phone from and at least one upstairs room (even if it was just the frame and a bit of the inside) before the accident. You have Ralph come down the stairs, but not the two students who supposedly were there too. It's pretty much just the main kids in the scene with Ralph trying to help Bill.
The beast is also probably the best conceived of the monsters used in "GAH." The electric monster would've been better if the main part stayed in the dark. it looked like a cros between a squid and a bird with a rotating beak.
Third, going back slightly to Bill's injury and recovery, when Shelia starts to take over, Bill starts to act as though he's nauseous and dizzy. He also falls a bit heavy against the top of hte guard rails. If he was acting that way, especially the choked comments he made, I'd try to order him to sit down and rest, but neither Ralph nor the doctor notice. 'Course, if he passed out again, the doctor could treat him again because Bill couldn't refuse treatment.
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Post by mmderdekea on Dec 29, 2006 14:58:18 GMT -5
Well, if I was the doctor treating him and he came in with dizziness and nausea, he'd STILL have to take off his clothes, all of them, for me to do a proper examination....
I don't know if Bill was dead or not, but I would go with unconscious, if I had to. One doesn't have to have him actually dead to bring out the emotions he MAY be dead in Ralph. Look at "Heaven Is In Your Genes", for example. It was the THOUGHT (not necessarily the proof) of Bill being dead that caused the wonderfully emotive reaction in Ralph.
Whoever wrote that Cyler (Why do we spell his name Cyler and not Kiler? Is his name ever spelled out on the show?) palpated Bill's wrist, not his carotid, made even a BETTER point for me. Thanks! Oftentimes with a weak pulse in a traumatized person, the wrist pulse will not be palpated when the carotid will still be evident. True, that is for folks perhaps who have bled profusely, but it might also happen with a head injury.
Last, I thought Culp's acting when he called up Ralph and was fighting whatever pain was caused by Sheila trying to gain control again, was fantastic. The rocking back and forth being unable to speak was very harrowing to watch. I rewind that 5 times each time I watch the episode.
Mona
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Post by MelMac on Dec 29, 2006 15:15:33 GMT -5
Cyler's name is spelled as such in scripts, hence the spelling. As far as the wrist, I was clarifying when you said he checked Bill's carotid. Only Ralph did in the episode, but in other episodes, such as "200MPH fastball" he does this too. I assume that between it and "Beast" he took CPR lessons and changed it. It only makes it more real for Cyler to have done this too because most people would check the wrist instead of listen just to see if the person was breathing and such.
And, I should've clarified here, Bill being dizzy while changing back to his street clothes and acting funny made me wish the doctor or Ralph ordered him to stay because he did appear that he'd pass out again. Of course they can't do that (doctor for sure and Ralph because he's not wearing the suit), but it'd made sense if they noticed something was wrong but he still brushes it off.
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Post by MST3Claye on Dec 29, 2006 15:39:24 GMT -5
Last, I thought Culp's acting when he called up Ralph and was fighting whatever pain was caused by Sheila trying to gain control again, was fantastic. The rocking back and forth being unable to speak was very harrowing to watch. I rewind that 5 times each time I watch the episode. Mona Agreed, even though I remember basically all the episode before watching it for the first time in 25 years this past summer. I remembered that scene among other ones in this episode. Great acting! Also trying to find a good version of the show opening I like, I *cough*downloaded*cough* some eps and TBitB was dubbed in spanish. That scene is poorly dubbed, just a bunch of ahh's and sighs. Hats off to Mr. Culp on the acting. Going back to pulse checking, is Bill checking his pulse when he regains control after pulling the car over to the side?
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Post by billswoman on Dec 29, 2006 16:07:37 GMT -5
When I wrote "Get in the Spirit," and I'm depicting what's going on with Bill and Sheila "in there," I had Bill experiencing what I did once when I almost fainted, with the others' voices being a roar, and the tunnel vision. That really happened, after I had my baby and lost a lot of blood, and they were trying to get me to go to the rest room. The nurse and mom got me to sit up (I'd been lying prone in the same bed for hours, pre- , during and after delivery), and when I did, and tried to stand, the nurse and Mom's voices were just a roar, like the ocean, and WHOA! there's that tunnel vision you always hear about. It was very weird.
Gads, there I go again... sorry.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 29, 2006 16:10:52 GMT -5
When I wrote "Get in the Spirit," and I'm depicting what's going on with Bill and Sheila "in there," I had Bill experiencing what I did once when I almost fainted, with the others' voices being a roar, and the tunnel vision. That really happened, after I had my baby and lost a lot of blood, and they were trying to get me to go to the rest room. The nurse and mom got me to sit up (I'd been lying prone in the same bed for hours, pre- , during and after delivery), and when I did, and tried to stand, the nurse and Mom's voices were just a roar, like the ocean, and WHOA! there's that tunnel vision you always hear about. It was very weird. Gads, there I go again... sorry. No, you make a good point. Given the way Bill was reacting in the scene (and characterwise probably was feeling what you described), it reads odd to me that neither Ralph nor the doctor tried to help him. They just talk to each other. Ralph, sure it's possible for him to overlook it, but a doctor, I'd get a little worried.
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Post by MST3Claye on Feb 3, 2007 23:26:30 GMT -5
I got to check out the movie Willard which if you didn't know has our favorite house in it. Well, maybe second favorite for some or maybe third favorite. Now I don't know whether this was filmed in a studio, but the insides basically do look like what we've seen on GAH. The mother of the main character is elderly and feeble. In one scene she rides one of those staircase elevators or escalators, whatever you call those motorized chairs that goes along the railing up the staircase. That can help explain the three stories and the wheelchair at the top of the steps. BTW, the staircase with the motorized chair elevator wasn't the one where the wheelchair comes down the staircase barely missing Ralph and the realtor lady. It's another staircase. At the moment, I'm trying/hoping to see a scene in the famous room. I'm such a geek for this episode. lol
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Post by jopierce on Feb 4, 2007 0:22:18 GMT -5
Most of us here are GAH Geeks... although only one has it in their name.
I can't tell you how many times I have replayed a scene, just to make sure they said what I think they said.
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Post by MelMac on Feb 4, 2007 0:44:58 GMT -5
The only thing I think funny too is it's supposedly bare and Ralph, et. al. was supposed to strip fixtures. Here though there's a lamp, several tables and chairs. Given that the dining room table is grand and made of some sort of sturdy wood, why wasn't it removed or sold in an estate sale? Same goes with the wheelchair... why was it there in the first place other than the obvious reason? Other than that, I enjoy seeing the inside of the mansion, and I think it's one of those that was the actual interior. I'd say the same is true for Ralph's house too, but I'm not sure there. I know there was a set done based on the sounds sometimes, but I don't know if they actually used the real-life location. It'd been neat if we could see the inside of it in today's time.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Feb 4, 2007 2:09:28 GMT -5
Personally, I like how Ralph saw that there was a place in the wall for the safe. To me, there is no way you could tell that since the paneling and the wall matched perfectly and was not DRASTICALLY hanging open. A little forced there too.
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Post by MelMac on Feb 4, 2007 2:15:54 GMT -5
Personally, I like how Ralph saw that there was a place in the wall for the safe. To me, there is no way you could tell that since the paneling and the wall matched perfectly and was not DRASTICALLY hanging open. A little forced there too. A casual glance and you'd miss it, but he was staring at it. I do agree though it was forced, as was the very low chandelier that electrocuted Sheila to begin with.
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