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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 16, 2005 19:37:16 GMT -5
I was rewatching this episode when I saw that some things still upset me about it. Why do the little green guys kidnap Pam and bring her to the desert? She didn't get to meet them or go on the ship, so why is she going? Just to fill time?
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Post by billswoman on Sept 16, 2005 20:03:05 GMT -5
Because A ) she and Ralph are in love, and the green guys know it and B ) she knows about them and the suit any way, so why not?
Granted, I usually fast forward thru that part, of her being "abducted" and brought there, but that's only cuz I've seen this one a gajillion times.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 18, 2005 11:34:52 GMT -5
Yes, but why not wait for her and take her up in the ship too so that she understood? This way she could understand what was going on and then help with the Nazi caper too. It just seemed superfluous since the aliens can revive Ralph at any time. Of course, in the HEROINE, Pam went and Bill didn't for some reason. Messed up.
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Post by billswoman on Sept 19, 2005 20:41:49 GMT -5
Not having seen GAHeroine, nor any other eps when Bill and Ralph go up, I'd say the aliens are very very reluctant to do so, and it was only cause Ralph needed healing that they did this time. Since Pam's not OFFICIALLY on the team, I think it was Bill & Ralph only.
But, like I said, that's at least from what I've SEEN of GAH, the later eps and GAHeroine notwithstanding. Look how they smack Ralph back in O:SS, when he tries to follow them.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 19, 2005 20:44:06 GMT -5
True, but in Culp's VANITY, the green guys appear again and Pam is left out again. In HEROINE, she is purposely transported and considered a part of the team to some extent by the green guys. I think it was an oversight on the people writing the episodes...maybe not in VANITY, but definitely in DIVORCE.
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Post by billswoman on Sept 19, 2005 20:51:02 GMT -5
What was an oversight, including Pam? Or NOT including Pam?
BTW, Culp wrote "Vanity...", wasn't sure if you knew that. Yea, nepotism.
(OK, you prolly knew that... or not... oh bother, I don't know any more. 42.)
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 19, 2005 21:09:34 GMT -5
I knew Culp wrote VANITY, but he still should have included her in that one...as she IS part of the team. He said so in the first couple of episodes. I think that had it been done in DIVORCE, it might have been done again in VANITY. As it is, she only meets the green guys when Ralph is being fired. That is sad and wrong.
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Post by Captmiloman on Sept 26, 2005 15:30:26 GMT -5
Ralph and Pam had been married for a few years in Heroine. I wonder if that had anything to do with it?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 26, 2005 16:38:18 GMT -5
Possibly, but why wasn't Bill taken up the final time? He was the other two.
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Post by billswoman on Sept 26, 2005 22:11:37 GMT -5
Here's something I wonder every time I watch this: Is Bill THAT MUCH of a threat to the American Nazi Party?
Dude says, "With Maxwell handled, nobody will get in our way!"
Darn, what a guy, if one lone FBI agent is that much of a thorn in their collective side! Bill's da Man. Really.
Addition (modified post):
I can't believe it, after watching this episode so many times, but...
When Bill uses the binoculars, and sees the dude from the weiner wagon go to use the phone, he's like, Yeah, that's him, that's the guy! So he checks the photograph and says, That's Billy Bob Floyd!
Then he calls Ralph back, points the guy out and says, That's the guy we're after!
All that time, I thought he meant for the Neo-nazis, then just now I realized, Ralph isn't involved with that, but the bank robbers.
The weiner wagon guy, and the blond guy in the motel room with the black guy, DO look a lot alike! Then Bill sees the REAL Billy Bob (bank robber) come out and says THAT's the guy!
I'm such a doofus, esp since I know this ep almost by heart now. Or thought I did.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 27, 2005 6:30:02 GMT -5
You are not a doofus...you are just so impressed by your man, Maxwell, that parts of the episode are trivialized.
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Post by billswoman on Sept 27, 2005 8:31:41 GMT -5
You are not a doofus...you are just so impressed by your man, Maxwell, that parts of the episode are trivialized. Actually, I was thinking the same thing! I'm always so focused on Bill, that I hadn't realized what he meant by "That's the one we're after!" After I posted that, I compared the two dudes, and they really do look a LOT alike. I thought something was amusing: Bill says in his little opening narrative, while watching Ralph get the food (sans relish, of course), about the two bad guys may "starve to death" yet when they cut to the black guy talking to his partner, the dude's sitting there eating something! So much for starving to death, huh? Also, I wonder why Ralph doesn't at least MENTION to Bill that he asked for relish. That's the first thing you hear, "Got any relish?" I think by that point, Ralph doesn't care if he ticks Bill off or not. Gads, what I can get out of a favorite episode, huh? Although by now, I've seen it so many times I just skip to the parts I want to see.
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Sept 27, 2005 10:56:46 GMT -5
Speaking of that episode, what was with some of the GOOFY-a** dialogue in certain parts??? I mean, Ralph says "I just really think we ought to get that suit back". Gee Ralph... YA THINK?!?! And MAXWELL actually says "Whatever!". HUH??? That's not Bill. That's right up there with him saying "Chick", ya know? Just kind of off dialogue there...
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Post by billswoman on Sept 27, 2005 11:01:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought it was dumb when Bill goes, "Suit? What suit?"
DUH! I'm surprised Culp didn't protest; he and Cos certainly had no problems changing the script as it suited them in "I Spy," after all.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 29, 2005 13:09:53 GMT -5
Yes, but I think Bill did it here because he did not manage to keep the suit away from the Nazis when they jumped him at the car. (That scene where the Nazis are sneaking up to the car is horrible because you can see that Culp is NOT the guy in the driver's seat).
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Post by billswoman on Sept 29, 2005 14:33:06 GMT -5
Sigh, yes, I know WHY he said it, I just think he sounds kinda dumb. We have a similar tactic in our family called "Mamie killed a toad." Eh, y'all wouldn't get it. NM.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 29, 2005 17:31:50 GMT -5
True.
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Post by Ms Boku on Nov 20, 2005 9:33:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought it was dumb when Bill goes, "Suit? What suit?"
Ok I think Bill said that because he didn't want to admit tht he lost it to the bad guys. I found no probs with that line. It was kind of funny. As far as "Whatever" same thing. Now if he said it like a valley girl I think I'd have a huge prob with that. He was sayng it in a fine whatever tone as he and Ralph were still in bicker mode. Poor Ralph Shot in the gut. Sorry to get nit picky. And as far as I know Bil never called them little green "creeps" anytime in the series, as he said just before they were teleported.
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Post by billswoman on Nov 20, 2005 10:21:30 GMT -5
"That scene where the Nazis are sneaking up to the car is horrible because you can see that Culp is NOT the guy in the driver's seat."
You know, I can't figure out who this guy was or why he was there. Is there some reason Culp couldn't do it? It wasn't just the cheesy wig this guy's wearing; look at the earlobes. Culp's got little tiny earlobes (I notice stuff like that, lol!) and this guy doesn't.
Also, the part where Bill knocks the guy with the door and runs and jumps... Is that Culp?? Cuz if it's not, the double they use is REALLY good--it looks just like him to me! Nimble little minx if it is, I mean, the man was in his early 50's in GAH. Whew.
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Post by MissDavidson on Nov 20, 2005 21:51:27 GMT -5
One of my favorite GAH quotes is from this episode, not only for what is said, but the way Bill said it. In the hotel room at the beginning, when they're arguing:
Bill: Life is NOT a carnival.
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