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Post by MST3Claye on May 25, 2009 20:51:36 GMT -5
I'd rather do it, if it meant money for me. ;D
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Post by MelMac on May 25, 2009 21:02:04 GMT -5
You know, Culp is a superb artist (as well as writer, actor, director)--did you ever see that dog he drew for a charity bash? It was INCREDIBLY good! Perhaps if there is a fourth comic and they want to save money and use an artist for less cost, they could ask him for a favor! ;-) Ralph wasn't that beefcake in the first two comic books, no matter what people think he looked like in GAHeroine (which was not that beefcake, either, to me). Perhaps the GG slipped him some alien hormones between the 2nd and 3rd comic book.... Mona Maybe, but even so, Culp also would have a different take on Ralph. I do not know about Claye, but what I'm trying to say is if you have 100 different artists drawing a character, you will have 100 different representations. This also includes trying to draw a person as lifelike as possible. Even an artist can't draw themselves and that be exactly the same as say a photo being taken. Also, in those drawings, they will also be based from 100 different things they've individually seen in the person. This is why I mentioned Katt being bulkier in "GAHeroine" than in his earlier days and thinking this is where the artist based his work from. If you watch the show, you notice that Ralph does in fact become more defined as the series progressed, and I think the artist did too. That said, I chatted with Marci, and she said that the inside of the comic the characters are drawn the same way they've been since the get go. This cover apparently was done because of the furor of Obama collectibles after his election and inauguration. They did it with a couple of Marvel Comics and they did rather well. While I do question why they chose to date the comic and put Obama in it, I personally respect the artist for drawing it. I'd like to see any and all of us try our hands at doing a lifelike version of Ralph. We'd also have many, many different takes - no two will be alike. That's just a fact - I see it in drawings as well as art, and I've seen good duplicates.
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Post by MST3Claye on May 25, 2009 22:01:18 GMT -5
You know, Culp is a superb artist (as well as writer, actor, director)--did you ever see that dog he drew for a charity bash? It was INCREDIBLY good! Perhaps if there is a fourth comic and they want to save money and use an artist for less cost, they could ask him for a favor! ;-) Ralph wasn't that beefcake in the first two comic books, no matter what people think he looked like in GAHeroine (which was not that beefcake, either, to me). Perhaps the GG slipped him some alien hormones between the 2nd and 3rd comic book.... Mona Maybe, but even so, Culp also would have a different take on Ralph. I do not know about Claye, but what I'm trying to say is if you have 100 different artists drawing a character, you will have 100 different representations. This also includes trying to draw a person as lifelike as possible. Even an artist can't draw themselves and that be exactly the same as say a photo being taken. Also, in those drawings, they will also be based from 100 different things they've individually seen in the person. This is why I mentioned Katt being bulkier in "GAHeroine" than in his earlier days and thinking this is where he based his work from. If you watch the show, you notice that Ralph does in fact become more defined as the series progressed, and I think the artist did too. That said, I chatted with Marci, and she said that the inside of the comic the characters are drawn the same way they've been since the get go. This cover apparently was done because of the furor of Obama collectibles after his election and inauguration. They did it with a couple of Marvel Comics and they did rather well. While I do question why they chose to date the comic and put Obama in it, I personally respect the artist for drawing it. I'd like to see any and all of us try our hands at doing a lifelike version of Ralph. We'd also have many, many different takes - no two will be alike. That's just a fact - I see it in drawings as well as art, and I've seen good duplicates. I like that idea.. Possibly a different take on a fan fiction challenge.
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Post by mmderdekea on May 25, 2009 23:47:57 GMT -5
Mel, Again, it makes no sense to defend the ARTIST by asking people who are NOT artists to draw a good representation of Ralph. Of course, I could not do that. I'm not an ARTIST. That is the ARTIST'S job; he/she just did a bad job of it for the cover. That's like doctor me saying--okay, let's all get assigned a woman to do a pap smear on and see what sort of job everyone does with it.....It would no doubt be a fiasco for everyone but me. Proper training obviously leads one to assume a better job would be done with the task at hand. That's why some of us are disappointed with this cover. Also, I agree, Obama should have been left out. I'm for Claye doing the next comic book cover!! Let's sign a petition and get it to Katt! Wouldn't that be COOL for him to do the next cover drawing!! Go, Claye, Go! Anyway, I'm very glad to hear that apparently the same artist who got Ralph right in the other two comic books is doing the inside art again. That's a big relief! Mona
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Post by greenguy on May 26, 2009 5:40:28 GMT -5
The cover posted is the actual cover. I picked up my copies of number 3 last Thursday. Thanks Greenguy - does it look exactly as it's scanned here or are the drawings a little bit smoother? I don't have it right in front of me, but it appears to be exactly the same as the picture posted.
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Post by MelMac on May 26, 2009 7:52:41 GMT -5
Mona, my point is that different people are going to draw Ralph differently, and it IS difficult (I've only seen three versions of a life-like drawing of Ralph over the years - these two in the comics and a third). I wasn't specifically saying you HAD to do it. Unlike what HD says, I'm NOT that literal and my comment didn't order you to do so.
You have implied rather consistently that this person should've drawn Ralph the same way as has been on the other covers and inside. If it was a different artist (and I believe so), it simply cannot and would not happen. I also believe here they were trying to go for a painted photograph effect instead of cartoon. This might be due to Obama being on the cover, even though other comics I've read that did tributes to his election have him in a cartoony style (not editorial with big ears BTW, but similar to our trio).
I also felt it a slight against the artist - in fact, all those who've been doing the comics all along - when you said (underline mine) "You know, Culp is a superb artist (as well as writer, actor, director)--did you ever see that dog he drew for a charity bash? It was INCREDIBLY good! Perhaps if there is a fourth comic and they want to save money and use an artist for less cost, they could ask him for a favor!"
But again - Culp would draw Ralph differently as well, maybe like he looked in the first season, maybe like this cover - and we still might/might not like that rendering. It doesn't matter who draws it, there are going to be variances.
You have a right to have an opinion and be critical of the artist's cover, that's your opinion. You have been rather critical of the comic in general - and I mean both good and bad ways, but again, that's your opinion. And, as I said Marci has told me that the rest of the comic is drawn the way it has the previous two. It's JUST the cover that is different.
All that said, IMHO, I do feel that it is an accurate rendering for his last couple of appearances as Ralph, based on how Katt did bulk up over the course of time and did fill the suit like a stuffed sausage. Is it wrong for this comic? - yes, but I respect the artist's work (respect does not mean agree) and will defend it for that reason.
Personally, I thought Ralph looked best when the suit was slightly too big, but on the same token the artist was given a tough job due to the popularity of Obama swag.
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Post by mmderdekea on May 26, 2009 8:39:20 GMT -5
Uh, yeah, I have been slighting the artist. That's been my POINT.
However, #3 is on the way to me; might even get here this week! Whee! I look forward to seeing how the comic story progresses from this alternate universe updated type of perspective. I hope that the insides truly WOW! me.
Mona
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Post by MelMac on May 26, 2009 8:45:57 GMT -5
Uh, yeah, I have been slighting the artist. That's been my POINT. However, #3 is on the way to me; might even get here this week! Whee! I look forward to seeing how the comic story progresses from this alternate universe updated type of perspective. I hope that the insides truly WOW! me. Mona Having reread the comment, your comment actually slights the entire group of artists who've been drawing when you suggested that Culp draw the whole comic. From the quote: "Perhaps if there is a fourth comic and they want to save money and use an artist for less cost, they could ask him for a favor!" Yes, you do compliment the interior artist "Anyway, I'm very glad to hear that apparently the same artist who got Ralph right in the other two comic books is doing the inside art again. That's a big relief!" but then you make the comment above. But, all that said, you've been critical of the comic - good and bad - and that has been helpful in getting people to decide for themselves if they should purchase the comic. We need both sides of the argument. Personally, I think they got Katt as Ralph right both cases - even if the cover does not match the interior work. We can blame - if nothing else - the demand for Obama swag for them even doing a cover like this. Plus, all the other comics I've read that have been for Obama have had him as a cartoon - not an editorial one where he has large ears, but like they've done in the main comic with Ralph and company to begin with. And yes, as I've said, the interior is the same as it's always been. It looks like the other two.
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Post by MelMac on May 26, 2009 22:01:45 GMT -5
Hmm... reading the Catastrophic Comics board, I found out an interesting point of fact (and yes, it's been a while since I read comic one, so this helps out), but it's a bit of a spoiler at the same time, so I'm just posting the link. [glow=red,2,300] Warning: Link contains spoilers[/glow] catastrophiccomics.com/forum/index.php?topic=121.15(Read EditorFanboy's first post, which will be on top of the thread of Page 2 in case there are more posts as of this posting. )Does explain the cover of the comic some more - even if it doesn't explain why a different cover from say the second one.
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