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Post by billswoman on Jul 28, 2007 17:38:40 GMT -5
I agree, I don't think infamy like that would go to Ralph's head as it did, unless he'd finally reached the point of doing all this stuff and receiving almost zero props for it (okay, props from Bill and Pam at least). O:SS, and all the other stuff? Saving Bakersfield numerous times? So when it finally broke that he's the man with the suit, perhaps he wanted to bask in it for a change."
As for GAHeroine not being canon, I usually DO consider it such, but I can see how others may not. As most of you know, I am in the "Like" GAHeroine camp.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 28, 2007 17:43:33 GMT -5
I agree, I don't think infamy like that would go to Ralph's head as it did, unless he'd finally reached the point of doing all this stuff and receiving almost zero props for it (okay, props from Bill and Pam at least). O:SS, and all the other stuff? Saving Bakersfield numerous times? So when it finally broke that he's the man with the suit, perhaps he wanted to bask in it for a change." As for GAHeroine not being canon, I usually DO consider it such, but I can see how others may not. As most of you know, I am in the "Like" GAHeroine camp. Attagirl, BW. I think that just because you hated something does not mean you should not consider it canon.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 30, 2007 15:13:03 GMT -5
I agree, I don't think infamy like that would go to Ralph's head as it did, unless he'd finally reached the point of doing all this stuff and receiving almost zero props for it (okay, props from Bill and Pam at least). O:SS, and all the other stuff? Saving Bakersfield numerous times? So when it finally broke that he's the man with the suit, perhaps he wanted to bask in it for a change." As for GAHeroine not being canon, I usually DO consider it such, but I can see how others may not. As most of you know, I am in the "Like" GAHeroine camp. Attagirl, BW. I think that just because you hated something does not mean you should not consider it canon. I think Mona's comment succinctly put it as far as why a majority of us don't see it as canon. Way too many things wrong with the execution of the idea. But, that's another thread. It also doesn't suck because it does bring up the potential of what can cause someone to lose the suit. How the green guys solve it is wonky (as there's millions of ways to better explain why as far as why Ralph loses it), but it does bring that potential up. It also brings up the what-if of what happens when it's time for the wearer to move on? Will he/she still have their memories?, Will their colleagues, etc.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 30, 2007 16:13:52 GMT -5
We know that JJ Beck kept his memories and everything, so it makes perfect sense that Ralph would be allowed too as well as Bill. After all, Marshall did. Pam was a nice added touch as they could have chosen to not allow it since she had not been a designated team member by them. I think that if the cast hated the script and the way the suit was handed over, they would never have agreed to help a spinoff series.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 30, 2007 16:47:53 GMT -5
We know that JJ Beck kept his memories and everything, so it makes perfect sense that Ralph would be allowed too as well as Bill. After all, Marshall did. Pam was a nice added touch as they could have chosen to not allow it since she had not been a designated team member by them. I think that if the cast hated the script and the way the suit was handed over, they would never have agreed to help a spinoff series. There's a few conspiracy theories I know of regarding the suit handover (both ways), so I'm not arguing that issue. I do think, given Katt's mentioning of wanting to do a reunion in '93, makes me think he didn't like how that part was handled. I can't say as I blame him, as all three suffered from the writing. (I know this isn't part of why it didn't suck, but it does show too why it didn't - it helped bring the idea for it to come back, not just in '86, but a potential one in '93).
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 30, 2007 17:29:29 GMT -5
We know that JJ Beck kept his memories and everything, so it makes perfect sense that Ralph would be allowed too as well as Bill. After all, Marshall did. Pam was a nice added touch as they could have chosen to not allow it since she had not been a designated team member by them. I think that if the cast hated the script and the way the suit was handed over, they would never have agreed to help a spinoff series. There's a few conspiracy theories I know of regarding the suit handover (both ways), so I'm not arguing that issue. I do think, given Katt's mentioning of wanting to do a reunion in '93, makes me think he didn't like how that part was handled. I can't say as I blame him, as all three suffered from the writing. (I know this isn't part of why it didn't suck, but it does show too why it didn't - it helped bring the idea for it to come back, not just in '86, but a potential one in '93). Just because he wanted a reunion does not mean he thought it sucked. Maybe he wanted a reunion because he saw that the pilot for HEROINE did not take off and thought that the time was ripe to try it again.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 30, 2007 17:37:55 GMT -5
There's a few conspiracy theories I know of regarding the suit handover (both ways), so I'm not arguing that issue. I do think, given Katt's mentioning of wanting to do a reunion in '93, makes me think he didn't like how that part was handled. I can't say as I blame him, as all three suffered from the writing. (I know this isn't part of why it didn't suck, but it does show too why it didn't - it helped bring the idea for it to come back, not just in '86, but a potential one in '93). Just because he wanted a reunion does not mean he thought it sucked. Maybe he wanted a reunion because he saw that the pilot for HEROINE did not take off and thought that the time was ripe to try it again. I think so too... even if I can't say it quite as succinctly as you. (when I refered to the part he didn't liked handled... it was the Ralph he played in GAHeroine)
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 30, 2007 17:47:27 GMT -5
Just because he wanted a reunion does not mean he thought it sucked. Maybe he wanted a reunion because he saw that the pilot for HEROINE did not take off and thought that the time was ripe to try it again. I think so too... even if I can't say it quite as succinctly as you. (when I refered to the part he didn't liked handled... it was the Ralph he played in GAHeroine) I know that, but I am saying just because YOU did not like his characterization (or any of the others) does not mean that the actors themselves did not like the characterizations. If they had, they might not have agreed to do the spinoff. And just because the reunion idea was kicked around, it does not mean that Katt hated HEROINE.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 30, 2007 19:31:25 GMT -5
I think so too... even if I can't say it quite as succinctly as you. (when I refered to the part he didn't liked handled... it was the Ralph he played in GAHeroine) I know that, but I am saying just because YOU did not like his characterization (or any of the others) does not mean that the actors themselves did not like the characterizations. If they had, they might not have agreed to do the spinoff. And just because the reunion idea was kicked around, it does not mean that Katt hated HEROINE. True... oh devil's advocate. But, I do wonder though given that, and wonder what'd happened if they did give a green light to a reunion movie in '93. Would it have included GAHeroine, and if so in what way as the end would probably have Ralph gaining the suit again. (But, I do wonder what he thought about it, given the Ralph in GAHeroine isn't the same - at worst an exaggeration of his worst parts - as he was in the original run).
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 30, 2007 20:37:02 GMT -5
Since he did the episode, he must have liked the characterization. And it would have been neat to see how they handled a reunion. I would imagine that HEROINE would HAVE to be included at that point because it had been run in syndication.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 30, 2007 20:48:58 GMT -5
Since he did the episode, he must have liked the characterization. And it would have been neat to see how they handled a reunion. I would imagine that HEROINE would HAVE to be included at that point because it had been run in syndication. Not necessarily true, but could be too. We'll never know. Since a majority of people don't know about "GAHeroine" even with it shown in syndication, it wouldn't have been a big part I think, with the exception of possibly the ep being a dream or Holly screwing up worse than Ralph that it went back to Ralph. I say this only because Holly is not mentioned in the story I read about the idea.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 30, 2007 21:13:03 GMT -5
Since he did the episode, he must have liked the characterization. And it would have been neat to see how they handled a reunion. I would imagine that HEROINE would HAVE to be included at that point because it had been run in syndication. Not necessarily true, but could be too. We'll never know. Since a majority of people don't know about "GAHeroine" even with it shown in syndication, it wouldn't have been a big part I think, with the exception of possibly the ep being a dream or Holly screwing up worse than Ralph that it went back to Ralph. I say this only because Holly is not mentioned in the story I read about the idea. I think that a reunion would still be a good idea, but I think keeping HEROINE would be vital, especially now with the DVD sets out. Whether you liked it or not, I would conclude it is canon because of it being included. If SJC thought it was not part of the series, it would not be included.
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Jul 31, 2007 14:01:35 GMT -5
First someone needs to find Sellecca.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 31, 2007 14:25:34 GMT -5
First someone needs to find Sellecca. She's been around (if that silly IMDB is accurate), though I don't know how much she's working as far as acting lately. Maybe we should try e-mailing that Sellecca Solutions or something. But, it'd be neat to see the trio in action again, even now. Even if they did a cartoon series or something.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 31, 2007 14:51:56 GMT -5
First someone needs to find Sellecca. I could find her, but not for THAT. I would want to keep her.
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Post by mmderdekea on Jul 31, 2007 17:51:57 GMT -5
They could've hated the script and wanted the money to do it, anyway. A possible scenario. I think we agree Culp was more excited about the possibility of the show, as he'd be in it; still all of them work, like we all do, for cool hard cash.
Mona
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Post by MelMac on Jul 31, 2007 20:11:10 GMT -5
They could've hated the script and wanted the money to do it, anyway. A possible scenario. I think we agree Culp was more excited about the possibility of the show, as he'd be in it; still all of them work, like we all do, for cool hard cash. Mona It's possible, but when you go from having great characterizations to caricatures of their former selves (all three), and everything that was mentioned in why this ep sucked, you'd have to be pretty desparate for money. I can understand Culp possibly being more excited than Katt or Connie about this script for the reason you said above: He'd be in it, and thus would get money doing the episodes. I think Katt and Connie would've been excited to be part of a new series, but as said earlier, both had committments to fairly successful shows (Katt - Perry Mason Movies, Connie - Hotel). For all we know, we could've had stories such as the fanfictions we have around now. Then again, we could've had "Save the Whales" and such (though I think it was rumored someone did have a script idea bantered about whales. I don't know if it was Culp though).
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Aug 2, 2007 11:21:05 GMT -5
Sounds more like something Katt would have come up with.
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Post by MelMac on Aug 2, 2007 11:49:53 GMT -5
Sounds more like something Katt would have come up with. No, I don't think it was Katt who had that story idea (he's written a few good scripts), but I do know that what I've heard of this idea it made a heck of a lot more sense than GAHeroine's plot did. In fact, Bill, who's first reluctant to use the suit for this type of scenario, realizes the beauty of the whales toward the end and understands why Ralph wanted to save them.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Aug 2, 2007 13:34:04 GMT -5
Sounds more like something Katt would have come up with. I agree. I think he and the writers knew that they would have to find SOME way to give over the suit and they focused on the JJ Beck scenario of getting carried away. Again, until someone can tell us what the original two hour pilot would have been like, we cannot say that it was uncharacteristic.
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