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Post by MelMac on Mar 22, 2008 9:47:32 GMT -5
You're right Mel, your reply had nothing to do with my question! Mona Sorry... I tried.  Then again, ABC didn't really care about the show third season or they'd had it in the same timeslot all the time - even a poorer one. They were trying to get rid of it any way they could. (The rest of my comments show that DC comics barked up the wrong tree as far as suing a character for supposedly being the same. I'd believe that if I saw Superman knock himself out hitting a billboard or train. It took a gigantic Meteor to actually do the trick at least in the original series). |
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Post by sidneyfromlaslunas on Feb 19, 2024 10:36:38 GMT -5
TheJMan, you are partially correct. The kids were there ... barely. They were obviously not a real part of the show although you might be able to show me one or two episodes. On the dog biscuits, I mentioned Heaven is in Your Genes (which I consider one of the better 3rd season episodes) but did miss the other two. As for the scripts, you named only five (three of which were the BEST episodes from 3rd season) so I think I scored right on at that point. In first and 2nd season practically every script (with a couple of exceptions) were written by Cannell, Lupo, Bartlett, or Hapsburg. There was also another decent guy who wrote two scripts. Now, by your own admission, only five. As for subtlety, that image is much more subtle than Heaven is in Your Genes, but I am not picking on that episode, mind you, only illustrating that the "nice touches" which everyone loved about 1st and 2nd season were largely missing. Finally, I have seen all the episodes (although I obviously was not enthusiastic enough to catch those scenes in Desperado and Thirty Seconds Over Little Tokyo) and I WILL be buying 3rd season DVD set, but if you disagree with my dissertation then let me pose you the question ... 1. Would you put 3rd season on part with 1st and 2nd? If not ... 2. What do YOU think were the major factors in the decline of 3rd season? The ratings tanked but I don't think the show quality did. It was just different. It is never a good idea to have two main characters get married. Plus early on Ralph and Pam were citizen soldiers trying to juggle their careers with the Suit. Toward the end of the 2nd season you rarely saw Ralph's students anymore. Rhonda vanished and was never mentioned again. Villicana only a bit part in 1 more episode. Ralph and Pam had a lot more time to hang out with Bill. The line between Ralph and GAH became blurred. |
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Post by greenguy on Mar 21, 2024 8:14:35 GMT -5
TheJMan, you are partially correct. The kids were there ... barely. They were obviously not a real part of the show although you might be able to show me one or two episodes. On the dog biscuits, I mentioned Heaven is in Your Genes (which I consider one of the better 3rd season episodes) but did miss the other two. As for the scripts, you named only five (three of which were the BEST episodes from 3rd season) so I think I scored right on at that point. In first and 2nd season practically every script (with a couple of exceptions) were written by Cannell, Lupo, Bartlett, or Hapsburg. There was also another decent guy who wrote two scripts. Now, by your own admission, only five. As for subtlety, that image is much more subtle than Heaven is in Your Genes, but I am not picking on that episode, mind you, only illustrating that the "nice touches" which everyone loved about 1st and 2nd season were largely missing. Finally, I have seen all the episodes (although I obviously was not enthusiastic enough to catch those scenes in Desperado and Thirty Seconds Over Little Tokyo) and I WILL be buying 3rd season DVD set, but if you disagree with my dissertation then let me pose you the question ... 1. Would you put 3rd season on part with 1st and 2nd? If not ... 2. What do YOU think were the major factors in the decline of 3rd season? The ratings tanked but I don't think the show quality did. It was just different. It is never a good idea to have two main characters get married. Plus early on Ralph and Pam were citizen soldiers trying to juggle their careers with the Suit. Toward the end of the 2nd season you rarely saw Ralph's students anymore. Rhonda vanished and was never mentioned again. Villicana only a bit part in 1 more episode. Ralph and Pam had a lot more time to hang out with Bill. The line between Ralph and GAH became blurred. In the case of Ralph and Pam I don't think having them get married was a bad idea. Since there were soooo many other factors that put the show in a downward spiral we won't ever know if having them married would have been a positive or negative. ABC really wanted less of everything that made the series what it was in season one. Ralph at his job, the students, the personal character driven stories are all aspects of the show ABC wanted downplayed or maybe even eliminated. It's a shame because the first season shined. That doesn't mean I didn't like seasons 2 and 3, but from how Cannell always described the show the 1st season fit that mold more than the other 2. There are a lot of "what if's" when it comes to TGAH. The Warner lawsuit not only caused trouble for the network and Cannell, it scared away companies that would have sought a license to merchandise the series. What if Marcy Carsey & Tom Werner had stayed at ABC? They championed the show and probably would have let Cannell continue down the path he was on with the series. The series suffered over the summer because it wasn't in repeats. It was out of the public eye for several months because of that and the fact the tv production for fall of 1981 was delayed with the 3 month Writers Guild of America strike. Those are just a few things off the top of my head that had an impact on the show. It deserved to at least have a 5 season run. In my opinion, of course. |
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Post by joe61478 on Apr 2, 2024 19:16:11 GMT -5
Well said green guy
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Post by sidneyfromlaslunas on Apr 29, 2024 13:23:41 GMT -5
The ratings tanked but I don't think the show quality did. It was just different. It is never a good idea to have two main characters get married. Plus early on Ralph and Pam were citizen soldiers trying to juggle their careers with the Suit. Toward the end of the 2nd season you rarely saw Ralph's students anymore. Rhonda vanished and was never mentioned again. Villicana only a bit part in 1 more episode. Ralph and Pam had a lot more time to hang out with Bill. The line between Ralph and GAH became blurred. In the case of Ralph and Pam I don't think having them get married was a bad idea. Since there were soooo many other factors that put the show in a downward spiral we won't ever know if having them married would have been a positive or negative. ABC really wanted less of everything that made the series what it was in season one. Ralph at his job, the students, the personal character driven stories are all aspects of the show ABC wanted downplayed or maybe even eliminated. It's a shame because the first season shined. That doesn't mean I didn't like seasons 2 and 3, but from how Cannell always described the show the 1st season fit that mold more than the other 2. There are a lot of "what if's" when it comes to TGAH. The Warner lawsuit not only caused trouble for the network and Cannell, it scared away companies that would have sought a license to merchandise the series. What if Marcy Carsey & Tom Werner had stayed at ABC? They championed the show and probably would have let Cannell continue down the path he was on with the series. The series suffered over the summer because it wasn't in repeats. It was out of the public eye for several months because of that and the fact the tv production for fall of 1981 was delayed with the 3 month Writers Guild of America strike. Those are just a few things off the top of my head that had an impact on the show. It deserved to at least have a 5 season run. In my opinion, of course. Interesting, the recent Supergirl series was like that. They had in season reruns but once the finale aired, there was nothing until next Fall. |
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