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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 22, 2008 12:14:15 GMT -5
The events in 'The Greatest American Heroine' spin-off pilot movie are set in an parallel universe, more specifically on an alternative Earth. "Alternative" from the 'GAH' series point of view, so to speak.
Basically:
1- The Greenguys in 'GAHeroine' are *NOT* the same Greenguys in 'GAH'. Their agenda is different. Their culture is different. Their motivations are different. Their technology is far more advanced than their counterparts from the first universe ('GAH').
2- "The" Ralph Hinkley seen in 'GAHeroine' is *NOT* our Ralph Hinkley, but his counterpart on the alternative Earth. His shorter hair and new attitude are also an indication of it.
3- "The" Bill Maxwell seen in 'GAHeroine' is *NOT* our Bill Maxwell, but his counterpart on the alternative Earth.
4- Holly does exist ONLY on the alternative Earth, not on the original Earth depicted by the 'GAH' series.
5- Ralph 2/Holly's power suit might be very different from Ralph 1's suit we're all accustomed to.
6- The whole "erasing memories" thing happened only on Earth 2, and not on Earth 1. The Greenguys from Universe 1 ('GAH') would never do such a horrid and stupid thing, nor they are able to perform this God-like trick. See #1, different civilization, different technology.
Case closed.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 22, 2008 12:24:14 GMT -5
Great analysis TGIH. That totally explains the attempt from most fans' POV. ;D
Odd thing is - it was a test pilot, which aren't normally run beyond the testing. That said, someone decided to add it into the syndication line up, putting the opening and closing credits from season three on it.
I think there's potential for a female suit wearer, but how this attempt didn't take flight so to speak.
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Post by mmderdekea on Sept 22, 2008 12:32:01 GMT -5
TGIH, While I am generally not a fan of any "alternate universe" type plots, I find your idea perfectly lucid and acceptable to explain the unfathomable conundrums of GAHeroine. Now, why ABC would FILM an alternate universe version of TGAH is hard to understand, however, given how it would simply not (and did not) resonate with the vast majority of This Earth viewers. Perhaps some alien dopplegangers took the place of the producers/directors involved with the show, and our acting threesome was unaware of that, until it was too late.  Mona |
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Post by MelMac on Sept 22, 2008 12:42:58 GMT -5
TGIH, While I am generally not a fan of any "alternate universe" type plots, I find your idea perfectly lucid and acceptable to explain the unfathomable conundrums of GAHeroine. Now, why ABC would FILM an alternate universe version of TGAH is hard to understand, however, given how it would simply not (and did not) resonate with the vast majority of This Earth viewers. Perhaps some alien dopplegangers took the place of the producers/directors involved with the show, and our acting threesome was unaware of that, until it was too late. Mona ABC didn't - NBC did (and it shows in spades). But, you might have something there with everyone being a doppleganger save our trio. But, unfortunately, NBC filming it is one reason Connie was unable to continue in the role of Pam - she was in "Hotel" on ABC, and that network didn't let her cross over to NBC save the pilot attempt. Of course, with Katt turning down the role because of his "Perry Mason" commitment, it probably was for the best. That said - I so agree with the idea of this being an alternate universe. There were so many things wrong with the episode it wasn't funny. |
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 22, 2008 12:44:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the nice responses, girls!  I'm not saying that the TV company wanted an alternative universe spin-off pilot, in their mind it should have been a "proper" follow-up to the 'GAH' series, but it just turned into that... against their will.  By the way, would it be cool, an interdimensional team-up between Ralph 1, Ralph 2 (without suit) and Holly against a common treat? (Sir MelMac, there are two "trios"). |
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Post by MelMac on Sept 22, 2008 12:53:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the nice responses, girls! I'm not saying that the TV company wanted an alternative universe spin-off pilot, in their mind it should have been a "proper" follow-up to the 'GAH' series, but it just turned into that... against their will. By the way, would it be cool, an interdimensional team-up between Ralph 1, Ralph 2 (without suit) and Holly against a common treat? (Sir MelMac, there are two "trios"). True - the three greenguys and our favorite trio - Ralph, Pam and Bill. My mistake.  But, what gets me too is that now with the comics and animated shorts coming out there will be essentially a golden and silver age of "GAH." The comics are updating the show to present day, but we'll still have the original series as well. Sure, there are mostly similar things in both, but still... both will have different feels. |
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 22, 2008 14:02:45 GMT -5
Yes, yes, yes. FACT IS, the comics will create a third universe, the remake (?) movie a fourth.
And then, the animated series...
The way I see it, it's a multiverse.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 22, 2008 15:23:39 GMT -5
Yes, yes, yes. FACT IS, the comics will create a third universe, the remake (?) movie a fourth.And then, the animated series... The way I see it, it's a multiverse. Well... some might not consider "GAHeroine" canon (an official part of the "GAH" universe), but you're right, there's including it - four in the works. (Guess I get confused too because there are some who write spinoffs as well - which can get REALLY confusing  ) |
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 22, 2008 15:50:31 GMT -5
Funny. So Pam is the only one who was the same?  |
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 22, 2008 15:50:59 GMT -5
The 'GAH' series created the "main" universe, but there are plenty of them out of there anyway. There is no "canon", just many "continuities" !!!  Look at this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_(DC_Comics)This article will open your mind... like an EGG! ;D |
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 22, 2008 15:53:16 GMT -5
Funny. So Pam is the only one who was the same? NO. It's just that Pam 2 and Pam 1 have very slight differences, not noticeable. Maybe Pam 2's past is different. Even Ralph 2's past could be different... we'll never know. Ralph 2 with his suit could have lived very different adventures in HIS universe... not the ones Ralph 1 experienced in Season 1-3. Got it? |
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Post by MelMac on Sept 22, 2008 15:55:14 GMT -5
Funny. So Pam is the only one who was the same? Well, demeanor she's pretty similar, except the alternate Pam uses way too much eyeshadow and was grossly underused in the story. |
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 22, 2008 16:06:48 GMT -5
Funny. So Pam is the only one who was the same? Well, demeanor she's pretty similar, except the alternate Pam uses way too much eyeshadow and was grossly underused in the story. Well put. |
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 22, 2008 18:12:16 GMT -5
Sadly, she was always grossly underused and under appreciated.  |
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 23, 2008 6:03:44 GMT -5
Sadly, she was always grossly underused and under appreciated. Pam? She's great! |
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Post by MelMac on Sept 23, 2008 15:41:09 GMT -5
I agree - one reason this whole episode doesn't make sense. Pam would've bashed Ralph over the head with a frying pan before she'd let his ego run amok to the point he was forced to give up the suit. |
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 24, 2008 14:03:03 GMT -5
Well,
AT LEAST, deleting all the memories in which "the man in the red suit" is addressed as Ralph Hinkley doesn't really mean that they "erased" all HIS adventures from the timeline/history... they are powerful, but not THAT powerful. Otherwise, they wouldn't need someone in the suit doing the dirty job for them in the first place. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by MelMac on Sept 24, 2008 14:43:38 GMT -5
Well, AT LEAST, deleting all the memories in which "the man in the red suit" is addressed as Ralph Hinkley doesn't really mean that they "erased" all HIS adventures from the timeline/history... they are powerful, but not THAT powerful. Otherwise, they wouldn't need someone in the suit doing the dirty job for them in the first place. ;D ;D ;D True... it was just memories, though some would've liked to have tried to erase Ralph from the books and had it where Holly was the first wearer.  Fortunately, I think the greenguys beamed them up before they could fulfill that mission. |
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 25, 2008 18:37:51 GMT -5
Hey Mel,
I was thinking that - even if the Greenguys "erased" all the memories related to Ralph as superhero - the villains he confronted in the past might STILL retain the memories of this "unspecified man in a red suit" doing miracles... they just can't remember who he was.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 26, 2008 9:46:22 GMT -5
Hey Mel, I was thinking that - even if the Greenguys "erased" all the memories related to Ralph as superhero - the villains he confronted in the past might STILL retain the memories of this "unspecified man in a red suit" doing miracles... they just can't remember who he was. Hmmm... it's possible. I guess my issue more was that they greenguys seemed to be way too powerful in "GAHeroine" than they should've been. If they could erase memories and such, they should've been able to stop their own world from being destroyed. |
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