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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 26, 2008 9:49:35 GMT -5
You know what, I happen to like Ralph's mature appearance in 'GAHeroine'... I like the shorter hair and the attitude. After all, the episode is not that bad... God, even Superman has a Supergirl...
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 26, 2008 9:59:13 GMT -5
Mel: Hindsight is 20/20. Like most cultures, they do not see the demise of their own society even if they can spot it in others. This might be why the Greenguys are so adamant about things on other planets. They can spot the symptoms and want to help make sure that nothing like that DOES happen again.
Even though the plot wasn't that great and the acting was not stellar from the new lead, I liked HEROINE. I think it was an okay way to shift over since they could not get the dream team back. Of course, I still think SJC should have pushed for the entire two hours to be filmed.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 26, 2008 10:02:52 GMT -5
What I'd love to know is why Bill nor Pam didn't bash Ralph over the head with a frying pan when he didn't listen to them to stop with the ego trip. Seems like he totally forgot the events in "Vanity."
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 26, 2008 10:05:23 GMT -5
Maybe they did...and his ego was too strong...or maybe he stopped taking the suit off so no one could take away his glory.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 26, 2008 10:09:49 GMT -5
Maybe they did...and his ego was too strong...or maybe he stopped taking the suit off so no one could take away his glory. You realize this theory puts the kibosh on the one that Ralph can be rendered unconscious in the suit with a heavy blow to the head - though admittedly by crashing into a train, being blown up or hitting a billboard? If that's true - he must've really had one big bad ego the size of Mount Everest.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 26, 2008 10:19:28 GMT -5
We don't REALLY know how their world was destroyed...
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Post by MelMac on Sept 26, 2008 10:35:40 GMT -5
We don't REALLY know how their world was destroyed... You're right we don't - though we've had a couple of fanfic writers give their theories to that in stories.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 26, 2008 10:42:11 GMT -5
Maybe they did...and his ego was too strong...or maybe he stopped taking the suit off so no one could take away his glory. You realize this theory puts the kibosh on the one that Ralph can be rendered unconscious in the suit with a heavy blow to the head - though admittedly by crashing into a train, being blown up or hitting a billboard? If that's true - he must've really had one big bad ego the size of Mount Everest. Not really. In the pilot for example, Ralph saw the wall coming and hit it. Yes, we are to believe it knocked him out. However, you can look at medical files and see that sometimes the brain will knock itself out to prevent the person from being traumatized. It can happen in accidents if people see it coming for example. It's a defense mechanism to some degree. The same could happen here in the pilot and a couple of other episodes where something major happened and it just happened to coincide with Ralph getting clocked on the head.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 26, 2008 10:50:31 GMT -5
I'd say crashing into the train - causing amnesia - he had to have actually hit it with his head and I think the same with the bomb in the shed. In both cases, given he was out for three hours, he must've hit hard. The billboard, I'll give the benefit of the doubt there where he might've passed out before he hit, because he woke up quickly (at least compared to the other two incidents). So, I guess in order to the pan theory to work, Ralph would have to be caught unawares, and that was doubtful given he was highly aware of himself and the world around him in that story.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 26, 2008 10:51:56 GMT -5
The train one he could have seen coming too since he was flying right at it. But since it was at a lot larger velocity, the secondary effects were worse....similar with the bomb.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 26, 2008 10:53:32 GMT -5
The train one he could have seen coming too since he was flying right at it. But since it was at a lot larger velocity, the secondary effects were worse....similar with the bomb. Yep, agree there too. Then you add oddities such as he could inhale a smoke bomb with no overall ill effects but can get drunk in the suit - to the point Ralph passes out - the suit really seems to be in an alternate universe all its own all the time.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 26, 2008 10:54:17 GMT -5
I think that is the idea of the mental component. He knowingly inhaled smoke, but he did not think to see if the suit had its own detox system.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 26, 2008 10:59:58 GMT -5
I think that is the idea of the mental component. He knowingly inhaled smoke, but he did not think to see if the suit had its own detox system. Have to admit - it made for some funny scenes in "Heaven is In Your Genes." The hangover scenes were some of the funniest ones - because they felt real, and Ralph learns the hard way that he can't hold his liquor wearing the suit.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 26, 2008 12:14:55 GMT -5
The train one he could have seen coming too since he was flying right at it. But since it was at a lot larger velocity, the secondary effects were worse....similar with the bomb. Yep, agree there too. Then you add oddities such as he could inhale a smoke bomb with no overall ill effects but can get drunk in the suit - to the point Ralph passes out - the suit really seems to be in an alternate universe all its own all the time. The suit is an adaptative device. But Ralph doesn't know how to activate it in the "proper" way... simple.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 26, 2008 12:18:39 GMT -5
Yep, agree there too. Then you add oddities such as he could inhale a smoke bomb with no overall ill effects but can get drunk in the suit - to the point Ralph passes out - the suit really seems to be in an alternate universe all its own all the time. The suit is an adaptative device. But Ralph doesn't know how to activate it in the "proper" way... simple. I've wondered if the suit does remember these mistakes and adapts them automatically though as a protection to the wearer. Example, Ralph drinks alcohol, ends up passing out because of it - which is a threat to his and the suit's safety. Therefore, the suit realizes that the alcohol composition in beer - or even better the chemical formula for alcohol - and stores it in its memory for the future to keep Ralph from the adverse effects of it - unconsciousness. If the suit automatically does it, then the wearer avoids the off chance of it happening to him or her again. I've done a similar idea with a wearer possibly being drugged while wearing the suit.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 26, 2008 12:20:45 GMT -5
Mel,
We need to check the chronological sequence of these events... episode list, please. ;D
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Post by MelMac on Sept 26, 2008 12:25:00 GMT -5
Mel, We need to check the chronological sequence of these events... episode list, please. ;D OK, do you want them as far as knock outs and trials and errors of the suit or just when the suit learns to adapt based on Ralph as a person?
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 26, 2008 12:25:49 GMT -5
Mel, We need to check the chronological sequence of these events... episode list, please. ;D OK, do you want them as far as knock outs and trials and errors of the suit or just when the suit learns to adapt based on Ralph as a person? I think the latter one.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 26, 2008 12:31:21 GMT -5
The suit is an adaptative device. But Ralph doesn't know how to activate it in the "proper" way... simple. I've wondered if the suit does remember these mistakes and adapts them automatically though as a protection to the wearer. Example, Ralph drinks alcohol, ends up passing out because of it - which is a threat to his and the suit's safety. Therefore, the suit realizes that the alcohol composition in beer - or even better the chemical formula for alcohol - and stores it in its memory for the future to keep Ralph from the adverse effects of it - unconsciousness. If the suit automatically does it, then the wearer avoids the off chance of it happening to him or her again. I've done a similar idea with a wearer possibly being drugged while wearing the suit. Maybe, but I am doubting it to some degree. It's too bad he didn't try to get plastered another time so we knew.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 26, 2008 12:43:27 GMT -5
OK, do you want them as far as knock outs and trials and errors of the suit or just when the suit learns to adapt based on Ralph as a person? I think the latter one. OK, the few trials and errors we know of: * Ralph and invisibility - First time he had them (Here's looking at you), he couldn't pop in and out on his own volition. He still has trouble in episodes such as in the car shop scene in "Fire Man." Not too sure when he finally gets "this one down pat" - though I think it's the second season. * Ralph and not being knocked out - He's first KO'd in the pilot (though I agree with HD he could've just had passed out prior to hitting the board). But, apparently that's the only time it's that little force, as he's then only knocked out if he's hit with a stronger force, such as "Classical Gas" and later on "Train of Thought." That said, apparently there's some adaptability in protecting the wearer's head as punches to the jaw only cause broken hands on the part of the hitter. If Ralph is out of the suit, he has a glass jaw. Unfortunately, HD's right - we don't see Ralph get drunk again, so we don't quite know if Ralph wouldn't be as affected - if at all - if he was drunk. Nor do we know if things such as chloroform, knock out gas, or being hit over the head with something will affect him or not while in the suit. That said, people have toyed with these "what-ifs" in fanfiction. * Ralph and carrying someone - he keeps crashing a lot with this if he carries someone over his shoulder, but he eventually gets to the point where he can at least carry people long flights. Flying with someone on his back - has problems initially in "Operation: Spoilsport." Don't see him try again this way until the first time he's successful in carrying someone a really long distance. That episode is "Heaven is in Your Genes" when he carries Pam on his back to the island. Flying while carrying someone in his arms - he has trouble at first (Miss Dante in "200MPH Fastball." He apparently gets the hang of it there (though we only see the one takeoff), because we see him fly a little girl in his arms in "There's Just No Accounting." ******************** Those are ones I know of off the top of my head.
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