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Post by billswoman on Oct 16, 2005 21:21:52 GMT -5
I thought this would be a good thing to start, because without fail, every time I watch an ep, even one I've seen a gajillion times (like "Lilacs.." and "Divorce...") something comes up that I need answers to.
Case in point:
In "Here's Looking At You, Kid," when Ralph joins Bill outside, and Bill's on the payphone with someone. Bill's gabbing, and you can tell he's winding up the call, and he says something like 'Yeah, love ya!' then hangs up. He then immediately talks to Ralph about this missing plane, how all the Feds are looking, blah blah. Who'd he say 'love ya' to? A fellow federal employee? Sounds rather unlikely.
In O:SS, when Ralph calls Bill about hearing EoD on the radio dedicated to him from PALMDALE, and they're talking about the alien ship and green guys... is it wise to be doing that on a Federal phone? We see in "Handpainted Thai" that all calls are recorded and could be transcribed any time for posterity as well.
In "Lilacs, Mr Maxwell," when Bill goes to work the following morning, after crashing his Bureau car (again), he practically runs to his desk, picks up the phone and calls Records. He tells them to break into the call, it's an emergency. Why's he calling Records?
Those are the three obvious ones, so far.
I know, the key answer is: Who cares? Watch the darned show.
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Oct 17, 2005 10:51:38 GMT -5
Hey, those are good ones! And yeah... how about the whole beginning plot device for Lilacs, where Ralph is supposed to be pulling down vibes from items that have been in FBI storage for YEARS??? I thought there were no vibes for Ralph to pick up on unless he managed to find/touch the item SOON after it was left behind. THAT rule went out the window right there, eh?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 17, 2005 15:14:20 GMT -5
In FIREMAN, a lot of things bother me. Is our government really THAT inept that they don't take pictures anymore on stakeouts...to GET Ralph in the suit. Plus, what ever happened to warrants on suspicion...Bill knowing Ralph and Pam...Ralph being Tony's teacher and dating his lawyer...that should be probable cause for a warrant and to get in to take a looksie. Finally, why are they not surrounding the house on their stakeout so they can catch Tony when he climbs out the window? Loose ends everywhere you look.
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Post by MelMac on Oct 17, 2005 17:31:23 GMT -5
One of the little things that has bugged me recently is that in "The 200 Mile and Hour Fastball," Ralph laments that the suit has snaps and yells at the Green guys why they didn't think of Velcro. During the series, you can tell the suit has a zipper by the style of the closure. To my knowledge, the only other way a suit could look like that closed is a hook and eye, even more difficult to close. Even in "This is the One the Suit was Meant For," Bill helps Ralph zip up the suit. (Maybe this means the suit can morph (albeit slightly) to accommodate the wearer. ) (BTW, Ralph wouldn't want Velcro closures, they're just as unreliable as snaps or zippers for that matter. (Wearing a college mascot uniform with Velcro closures, I can testify to that fact. Nearly went out once and my shirt was showing). He should have yelled at them to make the suit a little bit stretchier to where he didn't have to use fasteners at all.)
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 17, 2005 17:49:11 GMT -5
Look at the bright side...if you remember one of the captions in the other thread...what if your outfit was transparent or invisible without you and you ended up naked and cheering. It could always be worse...for you...not the fans I would imagine.
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Post by billswoman on Oct 17, 2005 18:32:38 GMT -5
Hey, those are good ones! And yeah... how about the whole beginning plot device for Lilacs, where Ralph is supposed to be pulling down vibes from items that have been in FBI storage for YEARS??? I thought there were no vibes for Ralph to pick up on unless he managed to find/touch the item SOON after it was left behind. THAT rule went out the window right there, eh? I've thought about that too, and concluded it's because of the INTENSITY of the original vibes coming off the bad guys. Like Ralph said, when he was starting to feel sick, how everything in there was centered around pain and suffering, etc etc. I mean, like Bill said about the Lindbergh kidnapping, the Bureau practically formed around the one case, it'd prolly have some seriously negative and powerful vibes on that car.
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Post by billswoman on Oct 17, 2005 18:34:42 GMT -5
In FIREMAN, a lot of things bother me. Is our government really THAT inept that they don't take pictures anymore on stakeouts...to GET Ralph in the suit. Plus, what ever happened to warrants on suspicion...Bill knowing Ralph and Pam...Ralph being Tony's teacher and dating his lawyer...that should be probable cause for a warrant and to get in to take a looksie. Finally, why are they not surrounding the house on their stakeout so they can catch Tony when he climbs out the window? Loose ends everywhere you look. I hadn't thought about photographing on their stakeout, good point. And yeah, I wonder how Tony slipped out so handily, when supposedly they've got "half the bureaucrats in L.A." on their tails. Maybe they could argue that Tony was streetwise and experienced at eluding da Man?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 17, 2005 18:37:30 GMT -5
Possibly, but with all the Man's men out looking for him? I doubt it. In LILACS...I never thought about it, but you could be right about the intensity...I do know that I have always loved that scene.
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Post by billswoman on Oct 17, 2005 18:39:04 GMT -5
One of the little things that has bugged me recently is that in "The 200 Mile and Hour Fastball," Ralph laments that the suit has snaps and yells at the Green guys why they didn't think of Velcro. During the series, you can tell the suit has a zipper by the style of the closure. To my knowledge, the only other way a suit could look like that closed is a hook and eye, even more difficult to close. Even in "This is the One the Suit was Meant For," Bill helps Ralph zip up the suit. (Maybe this means the suit can morph (albeit slightly) to accommodate the wearer. ) (BTW, Ralph wouldn't want Velcro closures, they're just as unreliable as snaps or zippers for that matter. (Wearing a college mascot uniform with Velcro closures, I can testify to that fact. Nearly went out once and my shirt was showing). He should have yelled at them to make the suit a little bit stretchier to where he didn't have to use fasteners at all.) I think he's yelling, Snaps! Snaps! because he's forever unbuttoning the oxford-cloth button-up shirts that he favors, and he's trying to hurry to get out of them and into the suit. HOWEVER, I'm wondering why he's not already wearing the suit! Wasn't the whole point being that he'd remain with the Stars, and when the bad guys went to rough him up, like he and Bill knew they would, he'd be ready for it? When I first saw this (recently), and they were beating him up, I thought he had the suit on and was just taking it, so they wouldn't realize they weren't hurting him. I thought, He COULD nail them, if he wanted to, but he and Bill knew it'd lead to bigger things if he "took it" as the warning it was meant to be. then to find out he didn't even have the suit on, I was like, You idiot! Hmmm, just realized, by that reasoning they would've hurt their hands punching him, as in "Chicken in every plot", but then again, Ralph could bend with the punch to absorb the impact, or seem to be at least from their points of view.
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Post by MelMac on Oct 17, 2005 18:57:14 GMT -5
Look at the bright side...if you remember one of the captions in the other thread...what if your outfit was transparent or invisible without you and you ended up naked and cheering. It could always be worse...for you...not the fans I would imagine. Well, actually, they would have seen me in my "longjohns" — A long sleeved shirt and long leggings. Sounds weird to wear these under a mascot suit, especially one that was the equivalent of two quilts, baseball/knight helmet, oven mitts and size 18 shoe spats (over size 10 shoes mind you), but this kept me cool. (The mascot was a buffalo, just not to confuse you with the knight helmet bit. )
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Post by MelMac on Oct 17, 2005 19:00:16 GMT -5
I think he's yelling, Snaps! Snaps! because he's forever unbuttoning the oxford-cloth button-up shirts that he favors, and he's trying to hurry to get out of them and into the suit. HOWEVER, I'm wondering why he's not already wearing the suit! Wasn't the whole point being that he'd remain with the Stars, and when the bad guys went to rough him up, like he and Bill knew they would, he'd be ready for it? When I first saw this (recently), and they were beating him up, I thought he had the suit on and was just taking it, so they wouldn't realize they weren't hurting him. I thought, He COULD nail them, if he wanted to, but he and Bill knew it'd lead to bigger things if he "took it" as the warning it was meant to be. then to find out he didn't even have the suit on, I was like, You idiot! Hmmm, just realized, by that reasoning they would've hurt their hands punching him, as in "Chicken in every plot", but then again, Ralph could bend with the punch to absorb the impact, or seem to be at least from their points of view. I forgot about the shirts he wears, and he could be referring to the snaps on the shirts. Still don't know why the Green guys would have zippers in the suit though, when it'd be just as easy to have a stretchy material. I didn't think about why he wasn't wearing it at all when he got beat up in the first place, but that's a good thought. It would have been a good idea to wear the suit and pretend that they were really hurting him even, and then go and chase them. But, there's a catch-22 in that even if he had the suit on, they could have hit him over the head, which would have been unprotected, knocking him out and giving him a concussion. Most players wouldn't be allowed to play with that type of injury, so that would have made his playing moot.
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Post by billswoman on Oct 17, 2005 19:14:43 GMT -5
"Still don't know why the Green guys would have zippers in the suit though, when it'd be just as easy to have a stretchy material."
I always thought it WAS just stretchy material, so in "The Beast in the Black," when Bill's looking at Ralph's back, I thought the suit actually TORE. Then in another ep, I don't remember off-hand, it's shown that there're zippers. I watched "Beast..." again, and sure enough, you can tell Bill's lowering the zipper then looking at his skin.
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Post by scenario on Oct 17, 2005 19:43:48 GMT -5
I never understood why so many of the bad guys wore three piece suits in Southern California weather. Or why Bill nearly always wore a three piece suit in Southern California weather. It would have been cool to see Bill wear one of those ATF jackets, I'm sure they had them back in the early 80s.
I understand that if a bad guy wore a suit it was to emphasize he was a proffesional bad guy of some sort, and not some common street thug, but still...
-scenario-
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 17, 2005 23:54:30 GMT -5
Maybe the boys were not as great to look at as Connie so they kept them clothed and let her wander around as close to natural as they could get.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 18, 2005 15:19:17 GMT -5
Why does Rhonda want to take singing lessons in DIABLO after they rocked the CLASSICAL GAS concert earlier that disc? Filmed out of order again I presume?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 18, 2005 15:24:04 GMT -5
And in NOW YOU SEE IT, Bill tells the FAA guy to start punching his buttons for N1TC, which is good. However, how did the FAA guy know it was Beller Aircraft from the start? Bill never said that.
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Post by MelMac on Oct 18, 2005 21:29:06 GMT -5
And in NOW YOU SEE IT, Bill tells the FAA guy to start punching his buttons for N1TC, which is good. However, how did the FAA guy know it was Beller Aircraft from the start? Bill never said that. He must have borrowed Ralph's precognition skills. The only things I could think of are that the computer automatically lists the numbers, or there is a certain letter in the number listing that he automatically knows it is a Bellair aircraft. Then again, I'm not to keen on flying in a plane unless I have to, so I don't know how that goes . This may sound silly, but something that bugs me is in "Don't Mess Around with Jim." One of the bad guys who kidnap Bill in the beginning say that he's never gassed an FBI agent before. When Bill and Ralph both ask for a pen, they get squirted in the eye with a liquid and cry out in pain, almost like mace. Bill just gets shoved in the car, but Ralph at least looks like the drug's affecting him (knocking him out). Still, medicine aside, very confusing since a gas is obviously not a liquid. I understand that they might have had no choice in that, such as filming purposes, but it would have made more sense if it was something like tear gas or mace, which is a liquid. Or the bad guys could do like they normally did and drew a gun on Bill and Ralph. Worked in "The Newlywed Game."
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Post by MyTatuo on Oct 18, 2005 22:00:44 GMT -5
I never understood why so many of the bad guys wore three piece suits in Southern California weather. Or why Bill nearly always wore a three piece suit in Southern California weather. It would have been cool to see Bill wear one of those ATF jackets, I'm sure they had them back in the early 80s. I understand that if a bad guy wore a suit it was to emphasize he was a proffesional bad guy of some sort, and not some common street thug, but still... -scenario- Believe it or not, Southern-Californians do not all run around in Hawaiian shirts, Bermuda shorts and flip-flops. :-) Another myth denounced: As I write this, it is raining in L.A. We're not talking Hurricane Rita, but tell that to the boneheads who slow down to 2 mph at the first drop on the windshield.
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Post by MelMac on Oct 19, 2005 1:37:02 GMT -5
Why does Rhonda want to take singing lessons in DIABLO after they rocked the CLASSICAL GAS concert earlier that disc? Filmed out of order again I presume? Not necessarily. Some people take singing lessons to enhance their voices, whether great or not-so-great. I have a relative who's a music major, and has to take voice each semester. He already had a great voice, and since has done even better with the voice lessons.
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Post by billswoman on Oct 19, 2005 5:08:02 GMT -5
L.A. and rain: "tell that to the boneheads who slow down to 2 mph at the first drop on the windshield."
At least they DO slow down. People in the Seattle area drive the same, whether raining or dry. This is bad because contrary to popular belief (dispeling another one of those myths), it does NOT rain all the time in Seattle. We've gone MONTHS w/o rain (I'm serious... Summers are very dry). When it finally rains, all that gunk has built up on the roads, and until the first real gulley-washer, the roads and sidewalks are extremely slick (hell, I've almost slipped many times on newly-wet sidewalks and roads). Do people here care? Heck no, they continue to drive the same, not allowing for this. They're the same with snow: it's only NOT snowed a few times since I moved here in August 1978, yet every time it does, people are like, WHAZZAT?? like they've never seen that white stuff from the sky before.
Okay, I'm done. Rant over.
Oh, btw... I was thinking the suits cuz let's face it, Bill's FROM L.A., isn't he? At least that region of CA I think... altho I know Culp's from the Bay area. Maybe being used to the weather, it doesn't bother him. They usually look like pretty 'light' suits any way, not heavy materials. But I'm a chick, I can't judge men's three piece suits very well, 'cept that i love to see a man in one, rowr rowr. I just wish the man would learn to fasten a tie once in a while!
Now I'm really done.
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