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Post by jopierce on Dec 31, 2006 1:01:00 GMT -5
Again, in my personal opinion, I think he was just giving Ralph a hard time.
I think it's more likely that Bill was playing with them than Pam being so scatterbrained. Granted, Ralph wasn't doing very well with the trick, but I think Pam could remember the card.
I think, as I said before, that Bill didn't really want to be bothered, was annoyed with the Ralph stuff (thus the sarcasm of the egg in the glove compartment), then decided it would be fun to mix it up...
SQUEEEEEEEE!!!!
I just love the idea that Bill was playing with them!! He's such a little devil sometimes!! Love it!!
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Post by jopierce on Dec 31, 2006 1:12:31 GMT -5
I do have to add one thing.
In all this debating and opinion sharing about this episode, we all left out the most important thing...
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Post by billswoman on Dec 31, 2006 1:20:35 GMT -5
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Post by MelMac on Dec 31, 2006 1:37:05 GMT -5
Also, I love the bit with the feather pillow. That first pillow was so sliced up to have the feather fest. The second one with the rip in the corner was a little more plausible. But, I love the little feathers stuck in Ralph's hair too when he puts it on his head.
And, I remember Pam's outfit outside of the sorceress costume. I like the top and the skirt, but they did goof on the purple tights. I know they were popular in the '80s, but they ruin an otherwise pretty outfit on Pam. Connie can wear purple and green very well, and the tights just seemed to look goofy there.
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Post by jopierce on Dec 31, 2006 1:37:37 GMT -5
Yes. I have once again resurrected
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Post by jopierce on Dec 31, 2006 1:39:43 GMT -5
Purple and black and grey. All very Elvira like....
Nah, the costume was spot on, IMHO.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 31, 2006 1:59:56 GMT -5
Purple and black and grey. All very Elvira like....
Nah, the costume was spot on, IMHO. Costume was fine, I was referring to the purple long sleeved blouse and paisley skirt she wears from the agency scene to Carlini's hideaway in the old church. Except it's a high collar neckline, I'd like to wear a blouse like that one. I'm not a huge fan of collars that go over and rest on my Adam's apple. I fidget more than Ralph has trouble with the cape. Also, as far as the doll, why did Carlini put it in water? That didn't make sense, unless his sister drowned in water or something. It and then it blowing up in Ralph's holograph while in the water tank weren't really explained, unless it was to refer to the fact Carlini was wanting to commit murder. Third, it was interesting that the suit seemed to pick up Carlini's vibes from Ralph looking at the man in the ringmaster outfit. Carlini touched the outside of the box and Ralph only briefly touched the edge of the frame where the pick was, so it was a little different. Only other possibility was that it was an emergency holograph to tell Ralph it was Carlini and to get out of the tank as fast as he could. I still think too that the suit let Ralph hold his breath a little longer than normal given he blows out part of his breath during the holograph. After it's over, Ralph gives a look that says "Hey, I'm still all right," just before he turns invisible. I don't think it'd been indefinitely, but I doubt the suit would let the wearer drown if at all possible.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 31, 2006 2:44:03 GMT -5
I don't believe Bill was messing with anyone's mind in the card trick fiasco in the car. For one thing, Bill did pull his head back to be able to see the card without his glasses, so I'm sure he really saw it. He didn't have the energy to play games with the trick; he just wanted to focus on Carlini. Pam, for a lawyer, has apparently a shockingly low level of concentration. To not even remember the card she just picked out! (Notice how next time she actually has to write the card down! Does she have attention deficient disorder??) I believe this scene happened just as it was HILARIOUSLY aired. Pam didn't really see her card well; Ralph chose the wrong card being the very bad card trick practitioner we were shown repeatedly he was; and, Bill's seeing the correct card highlighted both Pam's card remembering incompetence and Ralph's card choosing incompetence. Pam's last sentence, that at least the card was, at least, "red" was very funny. I love this scene and always play it over once or twice. It's the three of them working together just great. It's simply a delight to watch them. Mona I don't think Bill did it intentionally either, but I think he DID use it to his advantage to steer them away from the topic and back on the case. Good use of the disorientation of the other two. As for Pam, who knows how long Ralph has been making her do this? Since every trick takes about two seconds, can you imagine all the times she has seen this since they got in the car? I would be brain dead too after twenty minutes of his drivel. As for Ralph, he should be confident in the card he picked or he looks incompetent...I agree. Had he been confident, they might have realized that this WAS their card...good magic is like that.
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Post by billswoman on Dec 31, 2006 8:00:25 GMT -5
Regarding the timing of episodes that I brought up a few days ago, we know in this episode it's October 28, 1982. In "Now you see it," it's January 1982.
Before then, however, in Best Desk Scenario, they mention Bill trashing 3 federal cars in six months. This predates Now You See It, so it would have to be prior to October 1981, when Carlini allegedly burns up in his own magic trick.
So, my question remains... why'd Bill work on this case without Ralph's help with the suit?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 31, 2006 14:34:02 GMT -5
He may not have needed his help...it might have looked like an open and shut case...or he was the original agent on it, but once Carlini "died", he was replaced until his name was explicity mentioned. It could have been one of the cases Bill was "going to get too" in LILACS when he and Ralph are in the basement too.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 31, 2006 14:38:53 GMT -5
He may not have needed his help...it might have looked like an open and shut case...or he was the original agent on it, but once Carlini "died", he was replaced until his name was explicity mentioned. It could have been one of the cases Bill was "going to get too" in LILACS when he and Ralph are in the basement too. My guess is that once they say "Carlini's" cremains, they decided that there was no reason to continue the case and closed it. He was dead and they just decided to say "Well, we'll never know." It does bring up an interesting point. If Bill was on the case and Carlini knew this, why didn't he go and try to kill Bill? He's never attacked in the story really except for the end. But, as far as that part, Carlini would've went after anyone who tried to follow him, whether it'd been Pam, Ralph, one of the guests, etc.
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Post by herald7 on Apr 16, 2011 0:59:36 GMT -5
Sorry I know we're way out of order, lol, but the last scene of this episode always confuses me. First Pam is annoyed that Ralph has been spending time with the pretty magician's assistant without telling her. Then Ralph gets a phone call about the fate of a bird at his school's talent show ("broke his widdle beak!" lol) and Pam laughs at his joke, even though a minute ago she was all jealous. Then the show ends and in the next episode the two of them get married. So what happened to Pam being all jealous, that didn't really get resolved.
Yes I know it's a comedy and I'm thinking about it too much, lol, just wondering what anyone else thought, heh.
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Post by prometheus74 on Apr 16, 2011 17:25:39 GMT -5
Yes, I noticed that too, and I was thinking the same thing. Pam sure resolved her issues quickly.
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Post by herald7 on Apr 16, 2011 18:34:32 GMT -5
Thanks, at least I know I'm not crazy, lol. I mean I think the writing on the show overall was great so I don't want to be too critical, but the problem for me I guess was the absence of dialogue at a couple of points that made things slightly unclear. After Pam gets all annoyed, Bill gives her this look and I can't tell if he's supposed to be agreeing with her or scolding her for being suspicious.
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Post by prometheus74 on Apr 17, 2011 13:32:59 GMT -5
For the most part, each episode was self-contained. There wasn't really much continuity between episodes. Which is great for someone who's watching the show for the first time, because they don't need to learn any of the backstory, however it's not-so-great for the ones who are already fans and want to see relationships move forward.
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Post by prometheus74 on Nov 27, 2011 16:44:55 GMT -5
This is a rather average episode------not great, not bad either.
It seems every series of that era had at least one "magic" themed episode. LOL
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Post by herald7 on Nov 28, 2011 0:32:20 GMT -5
Well on the one hand, I think Ralph has a lot of great comedic moments in this episode which is always lovely, hehe. Usually on shows or movies the leading man is the boring one and the secondary characters are the funny ones. I love that Ralph manages to be both so well. But on the other hand, the very end of the episode when they're back at home is kind of an odd mess, as we've discussed before, lol.
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Post by prometheus74 on Nov 29, 2011 1:17:46 GMT -5
Yes, very true. Ralph can be just as comedic as Maxwell at times. He's not your average "square-jawed", lame hero. He indeed makes it look like it's actually "hip to be square". (Please pardon my "Huey Lewis and the News" reference. LOL)
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Post by herald7 on Nov 30, 2011 12:44:57 GMT -5
He indeed makes it look like it's actually "hip to be square". (Please pardon my "Huey Lewis and the News" reference. LOL) Lol, exactly! Actually William Katt just kind of talked about this on his Facebook page recently: That's why I loved GAH from the very first moment, just watching the theme song I could tell this was a sort of "counter culture" hero who broke the mold. ;D
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Post by prometheus74 on Nov 30, 2011 22:33:12 GMT -5
I recently watched "Carrie" (1977) again, and marvelled anew at how great Katt is in that movie. His character is interestingly layered: basically a good-hearted kid, who likes clowning around, look cool, and fit in with the "gang", but doesn't share their "meanness" towards Carrie. He is actually very kind to her, and appears to develop feelings for her at the "ill-fated" prom.
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