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Post by herald7 on Dec 1, 2011 9:52:49 GMT -5
I recently watched "Carrie" (1977) again, and marvelled anew at how great Katt is in that movie. His character is interestingly layered Oh I know, like his first scene in the classroom when the teacher is mockingly reading Tommy's poem; there's a lot going on there. At first I think Tommy was taking the whole thing as a bit of a joke. I mean he knows it's not really his poem and he's not fooling the teacher for a minute and he just enjoys getting laughs from the other kids. But then here's little innocent Carrie telling him his work is "beautiful." At first Tommy reacts like "What the heck?" but then he feels guilty for essentially tricking Carrie into thinking he's something he's not. And here's the teacher basically rubbing it in to both of them! Tommy could never write such a beautiful poem and Carrie is a dope for believing in him. Now Tommy realizes the joke isn't so funny any more.
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Post by prometheus74 on Dec 2, 2011 0:18:43 GMT -5
Who wrote that poem, by the way, I wonder?
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Post by herald7 on Dec 2, 2011 12:46:02 GMT -5
Who wrote that poem, by the way, I wonder? I'm not positive but I think I remember someone saying that in the book Sue (Tommy's girlfriend) had written the poem. Btw I love that poem because it's so '70s, lol.
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Post by prometheus74 on Dec 3, 2011 1:23:09 GMT -5
I did read the book, but some twenty years ago. LOL
So my recollections are a bit fuzzy.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 4, 2019 10:02:05 GMT -5
I just watched MR. MONK AND THE MAGICIAN.
While it is really nothing like Carlini, it did get me to wonder more about this episode. To me, this might be the darkest of any of the stories told. The scene just seemed so over the top for a family show, especially with the doll and the parents. I get that the trauma made him the way he is, but it's such an..."involved" telling, that it seems out of whack with the rest of the show.
Does anyone else feel that way?
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Post by Captain Marbles on Sept 4, 2019 14:07:38 GMT -5
I just watched MR. MONK AND THE MAGICIAN. While it is really nothing like Carlini, it did get me to wonder more about this episode. To me, this might be the darkest of any of the stories told. The scene just seemed so over the top for a family show, especially with the doll and the parents. I get that the trauma made him the way he is, but it's such an..."involved" telling, that it seems out of whack with the rest of the show. Does anyone else feel that way? I suppose - On the other hand, it was a Season 3 episode, and it seems like they were leaning more and more towards making it a "Saturday Morning Cartoon Superhero" kind of show, so - maybe this was an attempt to create a psychotic super villain? Just a thought.
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Post by greenguy on Sept 4, 2019 14:09:21 GMT -5
I just watched MR. MONK AND THE MAGICIAN. While it is really nothing like Carlini, it did get me to wonder more about this episode. To me, this might be the darkest of any of the stories told. The scene just seemed so over the top for a family show, especially with the doll and the parents. I get that the trauma made him the way he is, but it's such an..."involved" telling, that it seems out of whack with the rest of the show. Does anyone else feel that way? I agree, it is the darkest tale that unfolded on TGAH. This episode has no paranormal aspects, voodoo, or aliens reanimating people etc, it's madness based on trauma as you said. My first guess is that maybe they were going with a more "adult" story because they could get away with it. At the time the script was written and broadcast, the series was scheduled at 8PM central time/9PM Eastern. Actually, the majority of the episodes were most likely shot BEFORE the 3rd season started at the end of October. My guess is that they only had 3 or so to go at that point, so I'm surprised we didn't have more episodes like that. Certainly Carlini, and Vanity are the two most serious episodes of the final season. Network standards & practices allowed a series to get away with a bit more at 8 than at 7. I have often wondered had the show still been at 7, would we have seen Ralph with a blood soaked shirt after getting shot in Divorce, Venusian Style? On the same note, I was hoping we would have seen something a bit more serious, than Maxwell shooting the wiener wagon guy in the hand as seen in the same episode. Not that Maxwell had to take out every punk he traded shots with, but a bit more realistic in terms of body hits. Nice thoughts HD, I'm glad you brought that up.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 5, 2019 9:54:33 GMT -5
I just watched MR. MONK AND THE MAGICIAN. While it is really nothing like Carlini, it did get me to wonder more about this episode. To me, this might be the darkest of any of the stories told. The scene just seemed so over the top for a family show, especially with the doll and the parents. I get that the trauma made him the way he is, but it's such an..."involved" telling, that it seems out of whack with the rest of the show. Does anyone else feel that way? I agree, it is the darkest tale that unfolded on TGAH. This episode has no paranormal aspects, voodoo, or aliens reanimating people etc, it's madness based on trauma as you said. My first guess is that maybe they were going with a more "adult" story because they could get away with it. At the time the script was written and broadcast, the series was scheduled at 8PM central time/9PM Eastern. Actually, the majority of the episodes were most likely shot BEFORE the 3rd season started at the end of October. My guess is that they only had 3 or so to go at that point, so I'm surprised we didn't have more episodes like that. Certainly Carlini, and Vanity are the two most serious episodes of the final season. Network standards & practices allowed a series to get away with a bit more at 8 than at 7. I have often wondered had the show still been at 7, would we have seen Ralph with a blood soaked shirt after getting shot in Divorce, Venusian Style? On the same note, I was hoping we would have seen something a bit more serious, than Maxwell shooting the wiener wagon guy in the hand as seen in the same episode. Not that Maxwell had to take out every punk he traded shots with, but a bit more realistic in terms of body hits. Nice thoughts HD, I'm glad you brought that up. I always thought BEAST IN THE BLACK was the darkest and scariest. But in rewatching the series, I always find Carlini to be the most traumatic. It's one I don't let my kids watch. BEAST either, but that's because the beast would scare them. But I think the rest of the context of BEAST would go over their heads where Carlini is very much traumatic at any age. I just found it weird that this is in the GAH universe when they could have done something more like MONK.
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Post by greenguy on Sept 6, 2019 13:03:10 GMT -5
I always thought BEAST IN THE BLACK was the darkest and scariest. But in rewatching the series, I always find Carlini to be the most traumatic. It's one I don't let my kids watch. BEAST either, but that's because the beast would scare them. But I think the rest of the context of BEAST would go over their heads where Carlini is very much traumatic at any age. I just found it weird that this is in the GAH universe when they could have done something more like MONK. I always thought Carlini was the darkest, and Beast was the spookiest. Although, I have had several fans tell me they were scared by the Voodoo guy from A Chicken in Every Plot, and some spooked by Ralph roaming the corridors looking for the alien beast from The Shock Will Kill You.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 9, 2019 8:26:28 GMT -5
I always thought BEAST IN THE BLACK was the darkest and scariest. But in rewatching the series, I always find Carlini to be the most traumatic. It's one I don't let my kids watch. BEAST either, but that's because the beast would scare them. But I think the rest of the context of BEAST would go over their heads where Carlini is very much traumatic at any age. I just found it weird that this is in the GAH universe when they could have done something more like MONK. I always thought Carlini was the darkest, and Beast was the spookiest. Although, I have had several fans tell me they were scared by the Voodoo guy from A Chicken in Every Plot, and some spooked by Ralph roaming the corridors looking for the alien beast from The Shock Will Kill You. Maybe we should do a top 10 scariest moments of GAH.
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Post by justanotherskirt on Sept 25, 2019 9:36:42 GMT -5
I don't find anything scary in GAH, although Beast in the Black is delightfully creepy. And Carlini, when you realize what's going on, is just sad. Because it is different from GAH's usual style, it's suprising that it's written by one of the show's regular writers, Frank Lupo. But I like it. I like eps. that don't follow formula and I'm happy to see the show addressing a serious topic. At that time it was pretty bold to suggest that a character was gay.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 26, 2019 8:40:59 GMT -5
I don't find anything scary in GAH, although Beast in the Black is delightfully creepy. And Carlini, when you realize what's going on, is just sad. Because it is different from GAH's usual style, it's suprising that it's written by one of the show's regular writers, Frank Lupo. But I like it. I like eps. that don't follow formula and I'm happy to see the show addressing a serious topic. At that time it was pretty bold to suggest that a character was gay. I definitely think it was a bold move and one that you don't see often in TV shows. I just find it incredibly scary to show my young kids, especially with how silly the rest of the show can be at times.
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