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Post by MelMac on May 4, 2011 16:54:37 GMT -5
I have to admit, reading this again, it makes me not so upset they filmed it like they did. It actually could've been worse: www.tgah.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Heroine&thread=1736&page=1(read mmderdekea's long post a bit down the thread - I think it's her first post in it). The worst part is that Culp would've been second banana or even phased out as the series progressed had it continued from this summary. Sometimes I think that the glaring and jarring error in the pilot of the greenguys going from questioning if Bill should keep his memories to suddenly saying he could be Holly's partner was more and more changed just because Culp said he would continue if it was picked up. From reading the summary, you'll see that it doesn't feel like Bill wasn't supposed to be the partner in the original draft, if Holly even had one at all. (It is implied from the Green guy leader's comments that Bill was going to have his memory erased when Ralph interrupted him and asked about Bill - "Do you think Mr. Maxwell should keep his memories as well," to after the debate that concluded with Pam and Ralph agreeing Bill shouldn't get the suit, then suddenly he says "Mr. Maxwell was only meant to be used in an assisting role, I don't see why he couldn't continue in that effort" with the so-so motion.)
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Post by herald7 on May 4, 2011 19:15:55 GMT -5
Ah, thanks! OK some plot points make a little more sense now...but yeah still not great, heh. Yeah I thought that line was a bit awkward when I first heard it, lol.
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Post by MelMac on May 5, 2011 10:31:22 GMT -5
Ah, thanks! OK some plot points make a little more sense now...but yeah still not great, heh. Yeah I thought that line was a bit awkward when I first heard it, lol. I think someone here mentioned that aspects of the script's main plot - the whaling one - was actually from a script Culp had written during the original run of the show that wasn't filmed (this and "The Long Fall at 10, 2 and 4" are the only two I know of that were written and not filmed). From the summary I've read (and this is one that I will have trouble finding - I forgot who wrote it unlike Mona - mmderdekea - with the "GAHeroine" pilot), it might not have been a bad story if it were Ralph and Bill. Here, Holly just seems too out of place, and the fight is a bit too corny. I did think though that the kick to one bad guy's stomach while handling another bad guy was pretty cool.
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Post by herald7 on May 5, 2011 10:51:39 GMT -5
I think someone here mentioned that aspects of the script's main plot - the whaling one - was actually from a script Culp had written during the original run of the show that wasn't filmed (this and "The Long Fall at 10, 2 and 4" are the only two I know of that were written and not filmed). From the summary I've read (and this is one that I will have trouble finding - I forgot who wrote it unlike Mona - mmderdekea - with the "GAHeroine" pilot), it might not have been a bad story if it were Ralph and Bill. Here, Holly just seems too out of place, and the fight is a bit too corny. I did think though that the kick to one bad guy's stomach while handling another bad guy was pretty cool. Yeah you know what it is? There's a lot of potential in the individual ideas, but in trying to squeeze it all into one pilot (with the wrong characters), none of them got fully realized.
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Post by MelMac on May 5, 2011 11:12:29 GMT -5
Part of the problem was the reduced budget, I would predict the lack of time they had for Katt and Connie (Connie was in "Hotel" at the time), and other issues that just trying to put everything in there in 20 mins. or so made it rushed. Not sure though if even doing a proper introduction story would've worked or made a long series - there is a variation online that was done by StayTunedTV.net that had a second suit wearer - this case a student of Ralph's named Ashley. Good first story, fully realized, much more realistic in getting a second/new wearer; however, they haven't been able to do a second episode. I have wondered how it may have turned out if they had a completely new team in the attempt to restart it and a proper farewell for Ralph and Pam (i.e. they were going to have a child, Ralph just couldn't do it anymore due to injury). Part of the problem for me was always that Bill was the partner - not because of his acting (he's the only reason to watch post the farewell scene IMHO), but because the character was TOO drastic from Holly (I mean even more drastic differently than even Ralph).
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Post by herald7 on May 5, 2011 11:15:25 GMT -5
I do think sometimes you really do need to start from scratch and not import characters from the original product, because it can create an imbalance. Not everytime of course, but it's a delicate process, hehe.
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Post by MelMac on May 5, 2011 12:19:31 GMT -5
I think in this case it didn't work - Holly actually would've been better off with Ralph than Bill. Ralph still was opposite enough to that sugar sappiness that Holly had to work.
The only thing I've seen recently that was an attempt to continue/restart a series that has worked with a handover of sorts was a "Buck Rogers" fan film that had Gil Gerard and Erin Gray playing the new Buck's parents. That said, I haven't seen anything beyond that snippet, which was set more along the time the stories were first released (about 1920s).
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Post by herald7 on May 5, 2011 12:58:00 GMT -5
I think in this case it didn't work - Holly actually would've been better off with Ralph than Bill. Ralph still was opposite enough to that sugar sappiness that Holly had to work. Actually yeah, that I could see working. Ralph could identify with her optimism, but also tell her when to be more cynical, lol. Bill would have worked better with Tony I think, they had the same sort of gruff, misunderstood nature, but then the differences in age and maturity.
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