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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 1, 2007 9:24:57 GMT -5
Oh, and another thing. I don't believe that we should have Ralph and Bill do the "Comic/Straight Man" routine. That would just make the jokes seem forced to me, and forced jokes just aren't that funny. Now, the comedy on "The Greatest American Hero" mainly centered around the suit, and its powers, and how it was affecting all of their lives. We saw the same sort of premise in "Bewitched", "I Dream of Jeannie", and "The Beverly Hillbillies". Ordinary people having their lives turned completely upside down by some cosmic fluke. The premise worked then, it worked on "The Greatest American Hero", and it would work in this movie. That is, if this movie ever got made. On that, I can totally agree, Captain. While a lot of the comedy was character-driven, it was driven through the lens of the suit and how to deal with it...much like those other shows you mentioned.
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Post by hippietrooper on Mar 12, 2007 14:17:09 GMT -5
Physically speaking, I think Bruce Campbell looks like a perfect Bill Maxwell. Get some serious acting skills under his belt and I think he'd be perfect! Later
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 12, 2007 16:30:20 GMT -5
Physically speaking, I think Bruce Campbell looks like a perfect Bill Maxwell. Get some serious acting skills under his belt and I think he'd be perfect! Later I think he could work too...welcome to the forum, hippietrooper. I like his comedy and his appeal. I think there are better choices, but I think he COULD be the best person for it, especially if they want it done over the top.
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Post by jopierce on Mar 12, 2007 16:51:07 GMT -5
No comments.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 12, 2007 17:03:35 GMT -5
Oh come. You LOVE Cheese...and that is what Bruce Campbell brings to the role. Personally, I would love to see Richard Dean Anderson.
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Post by MelMac on Mar 12, 2007 17:08:17 GMT -5
Both would be strong in their own ways... but both would work in the role providing Campbell does take the more serious route.
Ralph's probably best as an unknown or someone who's been doing regular work but not really well-known. Katt was doing regular work when he got the role as Ralph, but wasn't well-known unlike his fellow co-stars in "Carrie" for example.
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Post by jopierce on Mar 12, 2007 18:13:31 GMT -5
I know I love Cheese. I am the Cheese. I am the Cheese to Mac's Mac.
But no one can replace the man. No one. And certainly he couldn't do it now (well, he could, but it really won't be the same.)
I think they should do an animated version and have Him do the voice.
I would like RDA, at least because he is hot. Or Harrison Ford. I wouldn't NOT see it if it was someone like Bruce Campbell.... but you know, how would you feel if it was Garafalo playing Pam?
There are some things that are sacred, that you should not touch...
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 12, 2007 18:25:27 GMT -5
I know I love Cheese. I am the Cheese. I am the Cheese to Mac's Mac.
But no one can replace the man. No one. And certainly he couldn't do it now (well, he could, but it really won't be the same.)
I think they should do an animated version and have Him do the voice.
I would like RDA, at least because he is hot. Or Harrison Ford. I wouldn't NOT see it if it was someone like Bruce Campbell.... but you know, how would you feel if it was Garafalo playing Pam?
There are some things that are sacred, that you should not touch...
I agree that the originals were at their best and they can't be beat. As for other actresses, that is why I peruse the internet and magazines for good likenesses and talent to play Pam. Maybe SJC will take my advice.
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Post by MelMac on Mar 12, 2007 19:09:35 GMT -5
I know I love Cheese. I am the Cheese. I am the Cheese to Mac's Mac.
But no one can replace the man. No one. And certainly he couldn't do it now (well, he could, but it really won't be the same.)
I think they should do an animated version and have Him do the voice.
I would like RDA, at least because he is hot. Or Harrison Ford. I wouldn't NOT see it if it was someone like Bruce Campbell.... but you know, how would you feel if it was Garafalo playing Pam?
There are some things that are sacred, that you should not touch...
Oh I agree too, but at least RDA and possibly Ford could play the role well if they did do a movie version. I'd much rather have either of them instead of Owen Wilson (very much a on the suggestion, just a point) or Ted something or other that seemed to always appear in shows (Married With Children, The Love Boat, Happy Days) just before they're cancelled. He seemed to be an albatross in a lot of regards. Pam should be an unknown who understands subtle humor. Too many comediennes seem to go in the way of outlandish comedy (some I can't repeat here regardless )
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Post by hippietrooper on Mar 12, 2007 19:34:31 GMT -5
I think the original formula of a well known, well respected with a "not-so-well known" would be thing to do. It worked in the original. Like I said, I think Bruce Campbell would do a great Maxwell, maybe Eliza Dushku for Pam (she fits pysically and has done both drama and comedy), and get an "up and comer" for Ralph. Someone who is trained in serious acting, but with the ability for physical comedy. The thing that worries me the most is that lately Hollywood has been taking every idea from the '80s and making it into a slapstick comedy. If they do that with GAH, it will bomb. It can not be made into a comedy, but rather a good situational story only accented by the humor within itself. If that makes any sense ;D Later
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Post by Lauren on Mar 12, 2007 22:39:34 GMT -5
Oh I agree too, but at least RDA and possibly Ford could play the role well if they did do a movie version. I'd much rather have either of them instead of Owen Wilson (very much a on the suggestion, just a point) or Ted something or other that seemed to always appear in shows (Married With Children, The Love Boat, Happy Days) just before they're cancelled. He seemed to be an albatross in a lot of regards. Pam should be an unknown who understands subtle humor. Too many comediennes seem to go in the way of outlandish comedy (some I can't repeat here regardless ) Ted McGinley... hmm... possible... or at least as possible at Ed O'Neill. But then, Campbell or Ford would get my vote as well. Decisions, decisions. And I'm putting my vote in, again, for Chris O'Donnell as Ralph. ;D
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Post by MelMac on Mar 12, 2007 22:45:53 GMT -5
I don't know about O'Donnell, just because I think he might be getting a little old to play the role (but that's just me). I know Katt likes the idea of Wilson in the role, but I think with his current streak of movies, it'd only hurt the movie.
Now, if we went the obscure actor way, there was a gentleman who played the role of Calvin Armstrong in the musical "TEXAS" when I worked in the show whom I think would do a good job at playing Ralph. I don't know if he's still doing any acting (last I heard he was the acting co-director for the musical) and if so, he might have to tone down a couple of (minor) melodramatics. He has the height and demeanor (onstage and off) to play the role of Ralph.
OK, maybe this might read odd, but if they did a movie, and didn't use the original cast, they could cast Ralph with an unknown, but good actor. Still, probably the best way to go still is either a TV movie (with or without a handover) or just leaving it as it is. A large-scale movie is going to be a crapshoot, and right now only two movies have been close to their respective series: "Maverick" (which was good) and "The Avengers" (which was good, but did confuse some American goers with the inside jokes).
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Post by Lauren on Mar 13, 2007 20:51:21 GMT -5
I don't know about O'Donnell, just because I think he might be getting a little old to play the role (but that's just me). Almost 37... dang! He looks younger than that. I think it was the flashbacks of the curly hair he had in Disney's "Three Musketeers." I tell ya, curly hair can really cloud your vision.
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Post by MelMac on Mar 13, 2007 20:55:06 GMT -5
I don't know about O'Donnell, just because I think he might be getting a little old to play the role (but that's just me). Almost 37... dang! He looks younger than that. I think it was the flashbacks of the curly hair he had in Disney's "Three Musketeers." I tell ya, curly hair can really cloud your vision. Looking young too does have it's advantages (and now I remember whom it is you're talking about.) Katt was slightly older than Ralph was supposed to be, but you'd never know that from his appearance. I've even got this too, and have had (no joke) at a swim meet, asking for a roster (which I needed for the reporter), someone tell me I had to ask my parents for money to get one. Still chuckle about that one.
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Post by MyTatuo on Mar 14, 2007 16:57:25 GMT -5
I agree that the originals were at their best and they can't be beat. As for other actresses, that is why I peruse the internet and magazines for good likenesses and talent to play Pam. Maybe SJC will take my advice. Is that what you tell your wife, that you're doing GAH research? MrsD: What are you looking at on there? HD (freezes): Um, just perusing the internet for good talent to play Pam? MrsD: And the magazines? HD: Um, just perusing these magazines for good likenesses to play Pam? MrsD: And the Vaseline? HD: Um...
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 14, 2007 21:32:14 GMT -5
I agree that the originals were at their best and they can't be beat. As for other actresses, that is why I peruse the internet and magazines for good likenesses and talent to play Pam. Maybe SJC will take my advice. Is that what you tell your wife, that you're doing GAH research? MrsD: What are you looking at on there? HD (freezes): Um, just perusing the internet for good talent to play Pam? MrsD: And the magazines? HD: Um, just perusing these magazines for good likenesses to play Pam? MrsD: And the Vaseline? HD: Um... HD: My lips get chapped from all of the heat coming from the computer tower and it helps keep them soft. Besides, Mrs.D usually looks at the stuff with me.
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Post by mmderdekea on Mar 19, 2007 23:38:19 GMT -5
Well, The Avengers movie, Melmac, was roundly considered one of the worst movies ever made, let alone a horrific version of The Avengers. It was terribly miscast, the editing was simply awful, and the final plot was ludicrous (the original screenplay was much better, but it got truncated along the way). As folks have been discussing, casting is really the integral part of the movie remakes, and can make or break the whole concept. Add in then a realistic portrayal of characters as the original show established them to be, and a decent plot that followed the original flow and story lines, and you've got a great movie. Now, can we count how successfully that has been done by Hollywood on one hand? Probably! It's a tall order.
I'd rather they don't make the movie than muck it up like the "I Spy" fiasco they made.
Mona
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 19, 2007 23:41:30 GMT -5
Well, The Avengers movie, Melmac, was roundly considered one of the worst movies ever made, let alone a horrific version of The Avengers. It was terribly miscast, the editing was simply awful, and the final plot was ludicrous (the original screenplay was much better, but it got truncated along the way). As folks have been discussing, casting is really the integral part of the movie remakes, and can make or break the whole concept. Add in then a realistic portrayal of characters as the original show established them to be, and a decent plot that followed the original flow and story lines, and you've got a great movie. Now, can we count how successfully that has been done by Hollywood on one hand? Probably! It's a tall order. I'd rather they don't make the movie than muck it up like the "I Spy" fiasco they made. Mona I haven't seen it so I can't say, but I have to agree Mona. MelMac is the only person I have heard give it some kudos. I think she is right with how well MAVERICK turned out, but that would the only one in recent memory that I can recall. Indeed the cast has to be well thought-out, not just for the part in and of itself, but also the chemistry factor between them all HAS to be top-notch...depending on how they depict them in the script. If it is not true to the original premise at all, it won't matter I guess. It will be brand new to us too.
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Post by MelMac on Mar 19, 2007 23:58:03 GMT -5
Well, The Avengers movie, Melmac, was roundly considered one of the worst movies ever made, let alone a horrific version of The Avengers. It was terribly miscast, the editing was simply awful, and the final plot was ludicrous (the original screenplay was much better, but it got truncated along the way). As folks have been discussing, casting is really the integral part of the movie remakes, and can make or break the whole concept. Add in then a realistic portrayal of characters as the original show established them to be, and a decent plot that followed the original flow and story lines, and you've got a great movie. Now, can we count how successfully that has been done by Hollywood on one hand? Probably! It's a tall order. I'd rather they don't make the movie than muck it up like the "I Spy" fiasco they made. Mona Considering it finished in the top three its first week here, especially given it's a UK television show, it wasn't that horrible to the movie goers. The problem was it had UK jokes and entendres that can be confusing in the US. I will admit I've never seen it (just ones with Rigg as Emma Peel and Tara King as his teammates), but the last version of "The Avengers" with JoAnna Lumley in it has also been panned. I don't think the script was horrible (editing might be an exception here) because Patrick MacNee, the first John Steed, was in the movie (the invisible man). He has such genuine affection for the role and show (he only has positive things about that show) that he would've turned it down. The casting was not strong, but I do think Ralph Finnes did well as the new Steed. Uma Thurman and he didn't quite have the same chemistry as Diana Rigg and MacNee, so that might be why it also was harmed (I've read the book too, and like "WWW," it is better, but there's a lot of it in the movie as well.) =============== But this is neither here nor there. My point was they have had successful remakes of TV shows on the big screen. Sometimes they also have their target audiences wrong, such as "Avengers," but even there it was successful, even short term. Would that work for "GAH," I don't know, but it'd take the right casting, writing, and yes... luck.
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Post by jkikerx78 on Jul 1, 2007 11:03:41 GMT -5
If I was to produce the big budget version of our favorite hero, this would be my dream cast. Ralph...Jon Heder Bill...Bruce Campbell Pam...Kelly Monaco Jon has the comedic skills to pull off Ralph, and he can bring the confidence when needed (he shows both in School for Scoundrels). Bruce has that dry witt it takes to become Bill Maxwell...and nobody can pull the Maxwell one liners off better than Mr. Campbell! Kelly would probably not be most people's first choice, but I think she is the woman for the job. I'm not a fan of soap operas, but the clips I've seen of her surprised me. Not only is she sexy, but she can really bring the drama when needed...bringing that down to earth, modern woman persona of Pam to life. She has shown a great sense of humor during her time on dancing with the stars, and I'm willing to bet she would give my male cast a run for their money! Here is a poster I made...just to show you my vision lol i45.photobucket.com/albums/f76/jkikerx78/newgreatestamericanhero.jpg
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