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Post by MelMac on Dec 7, 2007 16:24:59 GMT -5
OK, since we've had our quibbles about the suit, such as what side of the spandex should show or the redesigns of both Holly and Morgan Hathaway's versions, I decided to create a poll to see what people's opinions were as to a suit for a restart/remake of "GAH." We've seen the ideas I've listed in the poll and I listed other to include the miniskirt version that MyTatuo currently has in his signature. I'll list my take on it after a few responses, but it'd be neat to get people's ideas on what the suit itself should look like after all these years.
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Post by MyTatuo on Dec 7, 2007 18:59:19 GMT -5
I'm torn. Part of the beauty of the show was a guy running around in long-johns, so if the suit were modernized (like Batman or the X-Men or Morgan), part of that would disappear. OTOH, it doesn't really matter what the suit is like, since it will be the characterizations that make or break any remake. Either they will ruin it, they will recapture the magic, they will make something good but completely their own, etc, but the suit design will play very little part. That said, I chose "not another silly poll?!"
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Post by MelMac on Dec 7, 2007 19:04:41 GMT -5
I'm torn. Part of the beauty of the show was a guy running around in long-johns, so if the suit were modernized (like Batman or the X-Men or Morgan), part of that would disappear. OTOH, it doesn't really matter what the suit is like, since it will be the characterizations that make or break any remake. Either they will ruin it, they will recapture the magic, they will make something good but completely their own, etc, but the suit design will play very little part. That said, I chose "not another silly poll?!" True, but it also gives insight for the TGAH 2008 project as well, if they wanted people's insight on what they see for the suit, and is fun. I have several thoughts about every suit, but I also admit part of it is the person in the costume. Example, the outfits I wore at Fiesta Texas are a bit silly for a 27/28 year old to wear normally, but if you work the outfit right, you can beat the odds there. In the realm of "GAH," Katt managed to make the suit work, even that dumb shiny one in "Heroine" (which does look ugly on him) while Stuart didn't with her one piece suit in the same ep. White as Morgan we didn't get to see her do anything as the character, but she did at least look all right in the costume. I think, based on her speaking in those backstage talks on YouTube, she might've been able to overcome the silly suit and played the role well. Just my $4.25.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 7, 2007 20:47:07 GMT -5
I like how you give Katt a shiny suit nod, but not Hathaway. Are you sure that it isn't your hatred of HEROINE in general biasing your opinion there? They BOTH looked stupid in that suit and neither of them made it work. I didn't vote because one again the poll is incorrect in assuming that Ralph had it for 25 years.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 7, 2007 23:08:31 GMT -5
I like how you give Katt a shiny suit nod, but not Hathaway. Are you sure that it isn't your hatred of HEROINE in general biasing your opinion there? They BOTH looked stupid in that suit and neither of them made it work. I didn't vote because one again the poll is incorrect in assuming that Ralph had it for 25 years. No, actually out of the two who wear sparkly suit, Holly it does work on asthetically. The cut itself works well on Katt plus he knows how to act in the ridiculous costume. But no, the shine itself is why it doesn't work on Katt. That said, I hate the one piece attire on Holly, as the suit as it was could fit either gender. That's why I say it doesn't work on her. Well, that and she is a bad actress, making it not work on her. (If Holly was played believably, then I would have a different opinion of her. The words work, not how they are presented. ) It's also why I think it was designed like that and might be why it was changed to red instead of the original brown. And, 25 years is based on the fact that most of the general public would only remember Ralph in the suit, not Holly, so they would probably go with Ralph by default. That, and it was a joke comment... as I think if Ralph had it for that long it would turn either rose or grey from all the washing.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 7, 2007 23:23:22 GMT -5
The poll is still wrong though because it has too many false ideas. Since it is a biased poll, I voted the same way MyTatuo did.
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Post by mmderdekea on Dec 7, 2007 23:38:44 GMT -5
That's my vote for the old dull red one. While the show is about characterizations, the fact that the suit did look goofy made a difference in how the characters were presented. Ralph didn't look cool in his suit; he looked ridiculous, but THAT was important. The show was about a normal man, and his slightly abnormal Fed best friend, working around the silliness of a red super suit to do good and make a positive difference in the world. The cooler the suit is, the more it takes away from one of the innate difficulties of the suit wearer and his/her struggles to come to grips with their incredible responsibility.
All my 2 cents!
Mona
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 7, 2007 23:41:19 GMT -5
Don't forget having to have your girlfriend see you in it and appear less manly.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 7, 2007 23:55:33 GMT -5
The poll is still wrong though because it has too many false ideas. Since it is a biased poll, I voted the same way MyTatuo did. OK, it's somewhat biased (though I did put the mothballs bit as a joke. ). Besides, it's not the only one, such as who's more literal - pottery or a robot on "Get Smart." Totally agree with you there Mona. That might also be why people are not fond of the Morgan Hathaway version. Even Holly's version does look silly on her. Thing is, she has no problems wearing the suit. Probably why I stuck to it looking like Ralph's version when I've had Pam wear the suit in a story and Aidan in her spinoff series. It's not cool... it looks ridiculous, and it makes for better characterizations.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 7, 2007 23:58:04 GMT -5
The poll is still wrong though because it has too many false ideas. Since it is a biased poll, I voted the same way MyTatuo did. OK, it's somewhat biased (though I did put the mothballs bit as a joke. ). Besides, it's not the only one, such as who's more literal - pottery or a robot on "Get Smart." Totally agree with you there Mona. That might also be why people are not fond of the Morgan Hathaway version. Even Holly's version does look silly on her. Thing is, she has no problems wearing the suit. Probably why I stuck to it looking like Ralph's version when I've had Pam wear the suit in a story and Aidan in her spinoff series. It's not cool... it looks ridiculous, and it makes for better characterizations. My poll is serious business...and that great universal question needs to be answered...unlike yours because this will probably never happen in a large-scale form.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 8, 2007 0:04:29 GMT -5
OK, it's somewhat biased (though I did put the mothballs bit as a joke. ). Besides, it's not the only one, such as who's more literal - pottery or a robot on "Get Smart." Totally agree with you there Mona. That might also be why people are not fond of the Morgan Hathaway version. Even Holly's version does look silly on her. Thing is, she has no problems wearing the suit. Probably why I stuck to it looking like Ralph's version when I've had Pam wear the suit in a story and Aidan in her spinoff series. It's not cool... it looks ridiculous, and it makes for better characterizations. My poll is serious business...and that great universal question needs to be answered...unlike yours because this will probably never happen in a large-scale form. Well, a girl can dream and it does show that we're still interested in this TGAH 2008 endeavor, even if we haven't heard anything in some time about it... even if it's "Hey we're still a go," or "Go eat grits."
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Post by MortimerWest on Dec 10, 2007 17:48:29 GMT -5
The suit has to be dorky or you're just making another superhero movie. The suit is a character, it's part of the triangle and when you have a straight man (or woman) you need the counter for the dynamic to work. If it's a man - it has to be something you do NOT want to be seen in or take pride in wearing. It works the same for a woman - in fact, women are more fashion concious - so how about a PANTSUIT - like something from Space 1999 that looks like Polyester.
We live in the day and age of accepted cosplay. People go out in public in outfits much more outlandish than the old suit, that being said, this thing HAS to be something that make heads turn. DO NOT TRY TO BE COOL WITH IT. That was my problem with the one on TGAH. It was trying to be sexy and cool (from the 1 sec, shaky ciip) - missing the point entirly
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 10, 2007 18:09:28 GMT -5
Good call, Mortimer.
I agree that it has to be something you would not WANT to wear in public or in private. For women, I think you would have a harder time because it would need to be SO form-fitting that it showed every part of their body or so baggy that they looked ridiculous...(if we are using the original suit as a measuring stick).
I think it is easier to make a man look stupid in something so that he feels stupid whereas with women, it depends on the woman wearing it.
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Post by jopierce on Dec 10, 2007 21:22:32 GMT -5
I agree with Mortimer too. It has to be dorky. In fact the whole show has to be dorky for it to capture ANY of the magic. I think that is the only way an updated GAH would work.
Cheese, please!
I voted other. If you remember, Beck's was like Ralph's, but different. I think the new person would also have it a bit different. But to be honest, the style is almost irrelevant, except that it has to be dorky.
I am of the opinion that the Green Guys knew what they were doing by making the suit look silly. I don't think they simply modeled it after their own outfits (although that may be part of it).
I think they really want it to look especially outrageous so that RALPH WILL NOT WEAR IT ALL THE TIME!
Imagine if it was really a nice outfit? What if it blended in? Or made the wearer feel good? If it's a woman, and it made her look sexy, she may be more likely to wear it often.
And there you have the problem - this is a tool to help the team solve problems, not a way to create a super-human who will be better than others. The suit wearer should not be wearing it all the time, with the temptation to abuse the power...
...like use telekenesis to move cars so he can get a better parking space, or just fly around any old time so he can avoid traffic on the LA Freeway...
I think it's a way to minimize Ralph's power. He'll wear it because he HAS to, in extreme situations, but he really hates it, and usually takes it off whenever he can. Sometimes he wears it under his clothes, but I bet it's when he is EXPECTING to need it.
Otherwise, it's in the stationwagon well.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 10, 2007 22:19:23 GMT -5
I agree to some extent, but apparently Beck wore it a lot. For all we know one of the suit powers IS conformity to what the wearer wants. Of course, Beck was probably invisible a lot too.
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Post by jopierce on Dec 11, 2007 9:13:46 GMT -5
I agree to some extent, but apparently Beck wore it a lot. For all we know one of the suit powers IS conformity to what the wearer wants. Of course, Beck was probably invisible a lot too. Yes. I am sure that the Green Guys included that, too.
A missing page from the Instruction book:
SUIT POWERS 1) Flying 2) Deflecting bullets 3) Telekinesis 4) Superhuman strength 5) Fashion sense 6) Invisibility 7) Megaphone voice
Hey. If I were a Green Guy, fashion would be WAY up there on my list.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 11, 2007 9:38:10 GMT -5
You never know. Maybe that is what caused the destruction of THEIR garden planet: Bad taste.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 11, 2007 10:17:53 GMT -5
It's better than some outfits I've seen nowadays where there is in reality no way that they should be fighting in those outfits and offer no protection.
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Post by jopierce on Dec 11, 2007 10:18:11 GMT -5
You never know. Maybe that is what caused the destruction of THEIR garden planet: Bad taste. ...or the proliferation and escalation of polyester knits...
...and the lack of velcro...[/size]
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Post by mmderdekea on Dec 11, 2007 10:28:33 GMT -5
How about a Spandex vs. Cotton Green Guy World War?
Mona
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