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Post by HoudiniDerek on Nov 30, 2005 17:26:19 GMT -5
That may be the worse joke I have ever heard in my life...and yet, I chuckled at it.
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Post by GAH Geek on Dec 19, 2006 1:08:05 GMT -5
Personally, I thought the entire concept blew monkey chunks. The idea of a 'Heroine' is a complete turn-off for me from the very start. Bring Ralph's kid back or some other guy who sort of gets 'stuck' with the suit like Ralph did, but not a woman - it just doesn't fly (pun somewhat intended...) I Agree
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Post by GAH Geek on Dec 19, 2006 1:11:12 GMT -5
Yes, the basic premise just did not work. If they were that powerful, they could have just stopped the whole mess from happening in the first place, or "erased" it from the collective memory of the world. Just getting a new person for the suit was not going to make the world forget Ralph. These days, he'd end up on "The Surreal Life". LOL Both of those are funny
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Post by GAH Geek on Dec 19, 2006 1:13:25 GMT -5
Has anyone mentioned the obvious yet? Why did The Greatest American Heroine suck? To get to the other side. (I think that one up every single time I see this thread...)ROTFLMAO!!! Very Funny
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Post by jopierce on Jan 31, 2007 21:42:58 GMT -5
Ok, I was reading some older threads, and the consensus seems to be that people liked the scene where Bill and Ralph part ways.
Although there are some really funny lines, I actually don't really like that scene either. Maybe I just have a block with the whole episode. Maybe it's the idea of the team breaking up - no matter how it's done, it's going to be awful to watch.
But I really feel that Bill and Ralph would not part ways at this point. I could see the two continuing to be friends and helping each other out. This scene made it seem like the suit was the only thing that tied them together. In season one, maybe. But not 5 years later. No way. And this scene made it feel like they were saying goodbye for good.
And was it me, or did the "You gave the suit to a skirt" scenario seem contrived? First off, I think that Bill did get over not getting the suit long ago. It was really only in the first episode or two that he was upset at not getting it. Also, Bill, in my opinion, seemed to change quite a bit over the years - I think hanging around Pam made him change a lot in regards to "skirts." Not a 180 degree change, but enough that his reaction here seemed contrived and overdone. I think he'd be more upset about not working with Ralph than not getting the suit, or not getting to pick his new partner.
Now, the other thing - does Ralph still get a spot on the space ship when it's his time?
Ugh. Watching this episode makes me feel unclean.
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Post by jopierce on Jan 31, 2007 21:53:36 GMT -5
This show sucked because the green guys said that the world had to forget...how? Did they make it happen? If they are so all powerful, I agree with others on the board, that maybe Ralph should have been warned. Again, a big bump from an old thread...
Yes. If the Green Guys were so friggin powerful to make everyone forget, why not just make the American forget that they hated Russians, make the Russians forget they hate Americans, and make everyone forget how to do bad things?
Basically, if they could do that, why give the suit to Ralph to begin with.
ARGH!!!! That's it. I'm getting out my DVD of Heroine and scratching the @#%^&@ out of it!!! No more pain!!
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Post by MelMac on Jan 31, 2007 23:14:05 GMT -5
You can't scratch it, you'll ruin your CD. Now, you could turn off hte audio and play fill in what the person's really saying and have a blast doing that. It'd just be an animated version of the funny screencaps.
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Post by Captain Marbles on Feb 14, 2007 23:48:23 GMT -5
I think it was that whole "save the whales" thing they did. Ralph saved the PRESIDENT his first time out! And what does Holly do? SAVE THE WHALES! Wasn't there a SERIOUS CRISIS they could have used? A volcano? An earthquake? A big time drug lord? Hell, even a MUGGING would have made for a better crisis to test Holly's mettle as a new "Heroine"!
And let's not forget Holly's sparkling personality, or rather, her lack of same. The woman was just, well, how shall I put this? Flat. That's it. She was flat. There's just no other way to describe her. Combine that with all the cloying sweetness she displayed, and you can see why people didn't like her, even with the Jammies. ESPECIALLY with the Jammies, I should say.
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Post by jopierce on Feb 15, 2007 8:10:40 GMT -5
Spoken like Bill, Captainmarbles!
I think the idea was that saving the whales / helping the ecology / helping the environment was just as important as busting some bad guys. The whole reason Ralph chose Holly was that she would see saving the whales as just as important, and be a balance for Bill...
I agree with you, though, about Holly. I think they should have saved her personality first!!
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Post by MelMac on Feb 15, 2007 19:17:10 GMT -5
More I think about Ralph's choice, I'm starting to wonder if Dr. Evil's robot rabbit from "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" went back to '86 and fought Ralph. The poor guy gets hit over the head and hallucinates rabbits from time to time. After he's found out and told to handover the suit, he finds goes to the school where he sees Holly feeding a rabbit. For some reason, he believes that Holly is the one who can tame the rabbit, and hence why he chooses her. The rabbit mailbox is what they get after Holly defeats the evil rabbit. OK, this might be the silliest idea yet.
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Post by Captain Marbles on Feb 18, 2007 16:36:02 GMT -5
Three words: Holly's bulging bicep!
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Post by MelMac on Feb 18, 2007 21:38:33 GMT -5
Three words: Holly's bulging bicep!It and the whole second fight scene just screamed cartoon. A moose head falling on the guy's stomach is like the Fawlty Tower's ep where Basil gets hit over the head with a moose head. Spinning the guy like a roulette wheel on the pool table is another prime example. And, why couldn't they, when first meeting Bill, have Holly do something different to hurt Bill than trying to make her bread out of Bill's ground bones? There are a few other ways they could've shown how the suit's stregnth worked, like accidentally knocking Bill out, just done the breaking Bill's car door, etc.
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Post by MyTatuo on Feb 19, 2007 1:08:22 GMT -5
Three words: Holly's bulging bicep!I gotta agree with CaptMarb there. When I first saw that shot, I ended up having a similar wardrobe probl... never mind, I'll take it to another board. Holly: I don't understand. How can the Capt. call me flat?! I got curves right here...and back here...and all over...whoa, gettin' dizzy again...
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Post by Captain Marbles on Feb 20, 2007 2:41:28 GMT -5
Three words: Holly's bulging bicep!It and the whole second fight scene just screamed cartoon. A moose head falling on the guy's stomach is like the Fawlty Tower's ep where Basil gets hit over the head with a moose head. Spinning the guy like a roulette wheel on the pool table is another prime example. And, why couldn't they, when first meeting Bill, have Holly do something different to hurt Bill than trying to make her bread out of Bill's ground bones? There are a few other ways they could've shown how the suit's stregnth worked, like accidentally knocking Bill out, just done the breaking Bill's car door, etc. See, that's another thing that bugs me about this "Episode" They did a cartoony action sequence, but they didn't do any wacky sound effects? I WANT MY WACKY SOUND EFFECTS!
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Post by jopierce on Feb 20, 2007 7:18:01 GMT -5
You know, I never thought of that. I hated Heroine because it was really annoying. But if you upped the cheese factor, it could have at least been more comical.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Feb 20, 2007 10:13:51 GMT -5
It and the whole second fight scene just screamed cartoon. A moose head falling on the guy's stomach is like the Fawlty Tower's ep where Basil gets hit over the head with a moose head. Spinning the guy like a roulette wheel on the pool table is another prime example. And, why couldn't they, when first meeting Bill, have Holly do something different to hurt Bill than trying to make her bread out of Bill's ground bones? There are a few other ways they could've shown how the suit's stregnth worked, like accidentally knocking Bill out, just done the breaking Bill's car door, etc. See, that's another thing that bugs me about this "Episode" They did a cartoony action sequence, but they didn't do any wacky sound effects? I WANT MY WACKY SOUND EFFECTS!After the BAM!, POW!, and KERSPLAT! of the old Batman series were you?
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Post by MelMac on Feb 20, 2007 12:34:18 GMT -5
See, that's another thing that bugs me about this "Episode" They did a cartoony action sequence, but they didn't do any wacky sound effects? I WANT MY WACKY SOUND EFFECTS!After the BAM!, POW!, and KERSPLAT! of the old Batman series were you? In one sad way, that might've only boosted the pilot's possibility of becoming a series. "Batman" did well in it's run using the comic graphics duirng the fight, so they'd think that'd make this show work. It works better without the cartoony sound effects only because with them, we might've had this version of the series, which pales in comparison with the original episodes ... even "30 seconds" and "Space Ranger."
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Feb 20, 2007 18:28:13 GMT -5
I think it was that whole "save the whales" thing they did. Ralph saved the PRESIDENT his first time out! And what does Holly do? SAVE THE WHALES! Wasn't there a SERIOUS CRISIS they could have used? A volcano? An earthquake? A big time drug lord? Hell, even a MUGGING would have made for a better crisis to test Holly's mettle as a new "Heroine"! And let's not forget Holly's sparkling personality, or rather, her lack of same. The woman was just, well, how shall I put this? Flat. That's it. She was flat. There's just no other way to describe her. Combine that with all the cloying sweetness she displayed, and you can see why people didn't like her, even with the Jammies. ESPECIALLY with the Jammies, I should say. Actually, I think it was a neat idea even if it lacked some of the action and such as the pilot of GAH. I think the main reason for this was to set up Holly as Bill's complete opposite. In the pilot for GAH, Ralph and Bill were learning the suit and how to work together and that made it easier to focus on other things or the more important things. In HEROINE, Holly knew how to use the suit (at least to the extent Ralph knew and explained it) and that gave her a greater power over Bill than if Bill had taught her. I think that this episode sucked for sure, but I think it was a neat premise to see about how to get along with someone that doesn't understand the team dynamic.
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Post by Captain Marbles on Feb 25, 2007 15:24:05 GMT -5
And let's not forget Ralph's "fabulous" super suit! I swear, it looks like he dumped a jar of glitter in the wash when he did his laundry that week.
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Post by jopierce on Mar 2, 2007 18:56:17 GMT -5
Cross post from the Culp board.
One of the members on that board mentioned that she didn't think GAHeronine worked, and explained why. One thing she mentioned was that Holly was SOOOOOO excited and enthusiastic about the suit.
Then Mona mentioned how Heroine went against the whole premise of the show - of teamwork.
If you combine them - that, to me, is why it didn't work.
From what I understand, the basic premise is not that this is a crime fighting team, or that they are good friends. That is secondary. That developed. That had to be worked at. It's a running subplot.
I think it's a subplot that we all love and adore, but the real premise was "Will having the suit ruin your life?"
And for me, Holly being thrilled and happy and excited by it just didn't work, because having the suit DIDN'T/WOULDN'T cause any internal conflict in the character. There was no thought involved. It was a tool, that's it. She never thought twice about it, which made the whole premise of that show "Will Holly having the suit ruin BILL'S life?"
Certainly, we all laugh at the "You gave the skirt to a girl" bit... and if that had been a 7 minute short, a short fanfiction, where Ralph gives it up, he has to choose, it goes to a girl, and then Bill gets upset... without the painfully saccharine interactions with Holly, and her being thrilled, it may have worked well. In fact I would enjoy a short like that.
But this... no. It was so contrary to the premise as I see it that it was NOT GAH or GAH canon...
But that's just my opinion....
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