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Post by MelMac on Jun 24, 2008 15:32:28 GMT -5
Was Holly's hair blonde? It always looked kinda reddish brown to me. Personally, I like some things about the "Star Wars" prequels, but it's mostly stuff like costuming and such. I wasn't too fond of Jar Jar... he really was for the kids.
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Post by dolfyn on Jun 24, 2008 21:58:01 GMT -5
Hey, Dolfyn! I'm with ya. Other than the 'goodbye scene' (which that blonde ditz still 'almost' managed to ruin by sticking her face in at the end - lol), I didn't find much of any worth in Heroine. You mentioned the Star Wars prequels. Are you including the final prequel ("Revenge...") in there too? Just curious because I was surprised at how good that was, but I hear the first two were pretty much crap. Thoughts? In relation to the "blonde ditz" comment, she wasn't blonde, she had lightened brunette hair. (Also, blonde hair doesn't automatically mean "ditz"!! Hair colour has no more to do with intelligence than eye or skin colour!) But yeah, she did ruin the end of the only half-good scene in that whole sorry episode. As for the Star Wars prequels, IMHO even Sith (while better than the first 2 prequels) was still below-par when compared to the original trilogy. Lucas lost sight of the heart & soul of the original movies, which was the characters (much like TGAH), & concentrated too much on bells & whistles. And now he's had the same influence on the new Indy film. The man has no soul! *rant over* Feel the love. dolfyn. ;D
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Post by MelMac on Jun 24, 2008 22:05:04 GMT -5
In relation to the "blonde ditz" comment, she wasn't blonde, she had lightened brunette hair. (Also, blonde hair doesn't automatically mean "ditz"!! Hair colour has no more to do with intelligence than eye or skin colour!) But yeah, she did ruin the end of the only half-good scene in that whole sorry episode. No, you're right, it's not blonde, or any shade I know of. But, rethinking, I think he only calls her a "Blonde ditz" because of her acting now that I think about it. Does fit, her character went from being strong to a goofball when she gets the suit. (Not that I exactly like that... I'm blonde - ash blonde, but it's more of a "chameleon blonde" - and while a made up color it fits - changes a lot pending on sunlight. )
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Post by jopierce on Aug 21, 2008 7:36:38 GMT -5
I think the term "Blonde Ditz" was invented for her....
So you can blame that whole stupid stereotype on Heroine...
THANKS A LOT!
Just kidding, of course. I think. [/right]
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Post by MelMac on Aug 21, 2008 8:26:17 GMT -5
I think the term "Blonde Ditz" was invented for her....
So you can blame that whole stupid stereotype on Heroine...
THANKS A LOT!
Just kidding, of course. I think. [/right][/quote] Sometimes I wonder myself...
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Post by jopierce on Sept 21, 2008 15:28:44 GMT -5
Besides the annoying Holly, I just realized why this sucked so much.
There was no scenario.
Who were the bad guys? What happened with the scenario? How did the case get solved?
The whole episode was about passing the suit along, and giving it to a girl. It was a one line gag that got dragged out for 35 minutes, with a 5 minute bar fight mixed in to give the illusion that there was a case.
But there wasn't.
GAH was able to mix the story with the bad guys or the scenario in with the human interest. Here, there was no scenario.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 21, 2008 16:21:22 GMT -5
I think you hit it on the head Jo - there really wasn't a story. Part of that can be blamed on the chopping of the script, but it did seem odd to begin with, as though they were trying to tie-in Holly's beliefs to the plot. Didn't work here. Then again - I wish they had simply kept this what it was - a test pilot not meant to be released, and left it at that. I'd be glad to have traded them throwing this out for all the bloopers that were from the series' filming. (Which, BTW, save two of them, they were all deleted )
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Post by jopierce on Sept 21, 2008 16:28:25 GMT -5
Greenguy: What? You wanted a plot, too?
Ralph: Why, yes sir... if that's possible.
Greenguy: We have no more...
Ralph: Geez... I can understand not having another instruction book, but this is ridiculous...
Greenguy: Writer's Strike.
Ralph: Oh. I see....
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Post by jopierce on Sept 21, 2008 16:33:24 GMT -5
GeneGuy: Heroine was soooooo bad....
Audience: HOW BAD WAS IT?
GeneGuy: It was so bad, the only thing worse than the plot was the _______.
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Post by mmderdekea on Sept 21, 2008 19:30:31 GMT -5
Fashion wear. Mona
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 22, 2008 10:04:04 GMT -5
The acting.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 22, 2008 12:43:34 GMT -5
Holly's overly teased curly hair?
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 22, 2008 16:37:35 GMT -5
It sucked, but who cares? It's an alternative universe, so nevermind. ;D
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Post by MelMac on Sept 24, 2008 14:49:16 GMT -5
It sucked, but who cares? It's an alternative universe, so nevermind. ;D I think if they tried to not make Holly a female Ralph, or make the show a near farce of superhero shows (it definitely was a parody to "GAH" in my opinion), it might've worked better. What also didn't work was the lack of teamship. Bill and Holly were not a team, not because I felt they should've tried this with a new team, but because Holly basically acted as though she was going to run things instead of listing to Bill's side as well before they worked on a case together. Basically, there was no give and take with the team unlike what we saw with Ralph and Bill (at least overall).
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 25, 2008 18:38:55 GMT -5
Well, Holly doesn't seem so bad as human person... she's just a simple girl, after all.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 25, 2008 18:56:09 GMT -5
Well, Holly doesn't seem so bad as human person... she's just a simple girl, after all. I think my biggest quibble with Holly was that - example, in the interview she seemed like a nice woman with strong morals and strength. But, you put her in the suit, she becomes a ditz. My opinion, the one time Mary Ellen Stuart was the strongest as Holly was the interview Ralph did with her (unbeknownst to her mind you) for the suit. Mary Ellen Stuart's strongest performance in the story was that scene and the final scene.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 26, 2008 3:29:25 GMT -5
She looked enough confident with the suit on, if you ask me.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 26, 2008 9:44:30 GMT -5
She looked enough confident with the suit on, if you ask me. Holly looked confident, yes, but I felt that in a way she became a cartoon or a bit ditzy when she wore the suit. She seemed more real and down to earth IMHO when she was not in the suit.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 26, 2008 9:53:33 GMT -5
She looked enough confident with the suit on, if you ask me. Holly looked confident, yes, but I felt that in a way she became a cartoon or a bit ditzy when she wore the suit. She seemed more real and down to earth IMHO when she was not in the suit. Maybe such a marked duality was a major plot device for the following series that never was produced.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 26, 2008 10:01:39 GMT -5
Good thinking, GIH.
We have to look at it realistically too. Holly was approached by Ralph, not randomly by aliens. She never even met them that we saw or are aware. She was taught by Ralph. Her confidence naturally would be higher. Plus, her first case did not see her in the situations that Ralph had to deal with like the death of the President. Had she had an OPERATION:SPOILSPORT for her first case, the dynamic might have easily changed. Her character was cartoonish because she had not been tested the same way that Ralph and Bill were so it probably seemed less real and dramatic. That makes perfect sense and as the series progressed, it would have changed I imagine.
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