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Post by MelMac on Sept 26, 2008 10:05:08 GMT -5
Given that it was going to be in the watershed time frame, I think we were going to get more of the same. But, I guess to it's also because I disagree with Ralph being the one to choose the successor. Here they lecture Ralph on his ego and using the suit for gain... but they have him choose his successor and risk getting more of the same. :-\
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 26, 2008 10:10:12 GMT -5
I think it is supposed to teach people that you should be the one to fix your mistakes. Don't forget the new audience it was being made for with the new time slot.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 26, 2008 10:14:03 GMT -5
I think it is supposed to teach people that you should be the one to fix your mistakes. Don't forget the new audience it was being made for with the new time slot. True... and given last year ( ) and now with the comics and animated shorts coming up, we're going to be seeing that again. (Though IMHO, I think they'll be a lot better than "GAHeroine" was. )
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 26, 2008 10:20:05 GMT -5
Then he kind of does a "so-so" move with his hand. Hilarious! I loved that part! I think he makes some sort of hhmmppp noise a little as he does the motion too... ;D Hahahah those cocky aliens!
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Post by maxwellian on Jun 3, 2010 5:12:56 GMT -5
Ok, I recently re-watched Heroine and feel compelled to drudge this topic up again. The main reasons it sucked for me: 1. You should not wish that the superhero would get sucked into a jet engine while flying. However, Holly was so annoying that I kept saying to myself "Where's a 737 when you need one?" 2. I kept thinking that if Bill got in real trouble where he needed help, Holly might get distracted by saving orphaned kittens instead of rescuing Bill. In that case, I'd just have to rescue Bill myself... *ahem* 3. Ralph often trusted Bill's instincts. Holly pretty much just ignored Bill's input and did her own thing. What's the point of keeping Bill on in that case? 4. The only skirt that gets the suit is Pam. End of story. That would've worked perfectly because the rapport between Pam and Bill is well established. Pam + Bill = awesomeness. 5. Where's the third string utility backup? There's nobody to respond to the burger alerts! Though, I'm sure Holly would fulfill this responsibility if there's ever a turnip shake alert. Blecch. 6. Too contrived, too out of character, no plot. Just as things really started to roll scenario-wise, the show was over. Not finishing a scenario? That's gotta spoil Bill's 98 kill rate. 7. Not enough use of the word "scenario"!! Ok, really, I should've put that as #1. It really bugged me. LOL. I am very fortunate that we use the term "scenario" on a near daily basis as our regular jargon at work, so I get my fix there. 8. Have I mentioned that wishing harm on the superhero is really not a good reaction to cause in your viewers? Yeah, neither is wishing Bill would've faked his own death at the hands of some bad guy so he could escape from his misery. That would've been a much more satisfying ending. Bill sneaks off to enjoy retirement. Maybe he'd spend some time on a tropical island somewhere in Alejandro's buttonless swashbuckler shirt. Yeah... that'd work. ;D 9. Bill's back and forth with the annoying little girl had more of an original series feel than any scenes he did with Holly. That's sad. For a brief moment, I thought... "Yeah, give the little girl the suit. It can't get much worse!" At least Bill would have a foil to riff off of. But unfortunately, that would mean Bill couldn't run any scenarios that would keep her up past her bedtime, so that idea was out. 10. Who were Roosevelt and Churchill. Dammit, Bill! Now I'm dying to know. They had to have had better personalities than Holly. 11. I kept wishing that Bill, Pam, Ralph, etc, would form a line.... a line to slap Holly, much like that scene in Airplane where everyone slaps the hysterical woman. That said, I'd have to say that this "episode" is certainly watchable, but only because of Bill and my little friend Fast Forward.
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Post by MelMac on Jun 3, 2010 12:40:48 GMT -5
I love your answers maxwellian, and they are so fitting. There are a couple here I can help answer - mostly thanks to Mona reading the actual script and giving us a synopsis of it. Ok, I recently re-watched Heroine and feel compelled to drudge this topic up again. 2. I kept thinking that if Bill got in real trouble where he needed help, Holly might get distracted by saving orphaned kittens instead of rescuing Bill. In that case, I'd just have to rescue Bill myself... *ahem* 3. Ralph often trusted Bill's instincts. Holly pretty much just ignored Bill's input and did her own thing. What's the point of keeping Bill on in that case? Both of these can fit into one case - long and the short: toward the end of the story, Holly tells Bill that she is going to go to I think Louisiana and help with some sort of endangered species and said basically if he didn't want to go she was going to go anyway. Sarah also was going to go with her. Essentially, Bill was going to be third string utility, if even that, which was an insult to Culp's acting ability and the fact he was the one who was able to continue. I agree here; however, if they insisted on a new female partner, they should've just created a new team and not put Bill in there at all. I felt again it was an insult to Culp that they treated Bill this way - even in the filmed version, you have the greenguys basically saying Bill's memory was going to be erased to turning him into an associate of Holly's instead. (Never mind in the script the FBI was going to investigate him for his association with Ralph on the cases, possibly costing him his job or worse. ) Third string I think was implied to be Sarah, but read full script, it really reads as Bill. Heck, he even gets kidnapped in the full version of "GAHeroine." Full script they solve the case, so blame the fact it was cut down from a two-hour story to one hour there. And the out of character? - oh yeah... definitely. All the original characters felt out of character to me (Ralph the worst offender). I have this weird feeling that Culp may have regretted saying he was available to film in the show and instead should've said that he'd not do it as well (Katt and Connie were unavailable due to "Perry Mason" and "Hotel" respectively), until the other two could come back. He was just treated so badly in that script, and I don't think it'd entired changed even with the ending filmed where Holly at least respected Bill. Now, admittedly Katt may still not have agreed (though he was tempted with the two year guaranteed run offered at the time), but it'd still been better than this drivel. (And one final note - I do find it quite disconcerting I look younger at 31 than Mary Ellen Stuart did at 25 when she got the suit).
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Post by Captain Marbles on Jun 12, 2019 22:49:43 GMT -5
One more reason why Heroine sucked, at least for me, was Holly's complete and utter lack of any human frailty. That, I think, made her completely unrelatable to anyone watching because, as she said herself - "I'm never in a bad mood!" Ugh!
Now contrast that with Ralph, who actually had a real human personality and quirks to deal with along with the crisis/villain/monster of the week. For example, in "Classical Gas" there is a terrorist plot to blow up a truck filled with poison gas, but the main focus - at least for me - was Ralph's feelings of rage and jealousy over the attention his girlfriend, Pam is getting from that sleazy record producer. Would Holly have that kind of reaction if one of her boyfriends saw another girl? I doubt it - in fact, I think one of the major reasons they left her, aside from Sarah, is the fact that she has all the personality of a blow up doll.
Jeez, you know a character is bad when she wouldn't even pass muster as a Saturday Morning children's show character!
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Post by MissDavidson on May 5, 2020 11:14:06 GMT -5
It sucked because they broke up our team (when they should've bought out Katt and Sellecca's contracts on other projects), gave us a really sad goodbye scene, and brought in this dippy, drippy, perpetually happy and annoying chick to play the hero. Audiences didn't buy it, and I never will either.
That's the scenario. That's the end of the report right there.
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Post by Captain Marbles on May 5, 2020 21:25:21 GMT -5
9. Bill's back and forth with the annoying little girl had more of an original series feel than any scenes he did with Holly. That's sad. For a brief moment, I thought... "Yeah, give the little girl the suit. It can't get much worse!" At least Bill would have a foil to riff off of. But unfortunately, that would mean Bill couldn't run any scenarios that would keep her up past her bedtime, so that idea was out. You know, Sarah (that annoying little girl), really would have been a much better choice to get the Suit - especially with the "Saturday Morning" vibe the Suits seemed to be pushing for "Heroine"
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