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Post by HoudiniDerek on Nov 27, 2005 13:36:38 GMT -5
He did like dames...he really came to respect Pam, so why not Holly?
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Post by ThatGirl on Nov 28, 2005 21:10:32 GMT -5
Her brain might leak out if she plucks them!
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Post by billswoman on Nov 28, 2005 21:50:51 GMT -5
One of the many reasons I liked that pairing is let's face it: Holly is Bill's worst nightmare. He thought RALPH was all goody-goody and touchy-feely, etc., but Holly? Lawsey! Besides, I like the UST heh
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Nov 30, 2005 17:24:28 GMT -5
I agree that Bill was admiring her for more than her turnip shake or whatever. I liked the pairing too, although it might have been more fun had Sam from IT'S ALL DOWNHILL FROM HERE been the new person with the suit...they had more baited arguments.
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Post by billswoman on Nov 30, 2005 21:35:44 GMT -5
I'm thinking about a Missing Scene with Bill & Holly... or Bill & Sam muwhahahahahahahaha, I can pair him up with anyone, can't I? Okay, any HETERO one, like a dame, c'mon!
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Post by MyTatuo on Nov 30, 2005 21:51:58 GMT -5
I'm thinking about a Missing Scene with Bill & Holly... or Bill & Sam muwhahahahahahahaha, I can pair him up with anyone, can't I? Okay, any HETERO one, like a dame, c'mon! ...I gotta say, that never gets old...
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 1, 2005 0:57:40 GMT -5
I have no idea what No Slash means.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 1, 2005 1:16:21 GMT -5
I have no idea what No Slash means. (Note: Because of the genre, I'm only explaining to HD and others who might not know so they get no surprises reading stories ( non-GAH) in this style). Slash is basically a story from a homosexual aspect, such as two men kissing in the romantic sense, etc. In this case, MyTatuo is saying no stories with a Bill/Ralph pairing or something like Pam/Starlett pairing. Most of the stories I've read (none GAH, mind you), have mild slash, where the two kiss. Still, there are some where it's more along the lines of a dare or something, such as in an "Emergency!" challenge, where writers had Gage kiss DeSoto or other firefighters because he lost a bet with Firefighter Kelly (have to be specific b/c one doctor is named Kelly (Brackett). Hope this helps.
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Post by silverhammer on Dec 1, 2005 6:20:55 GMT -5
I have no idea what No Slash means. (Note: Because of the genre, I'm only explaining to HD and others who might not know so they get no surprises reading stories ( non-GAH) in this style). _edit_ Hope this helps. That's a great explanation MelMac. It's interesting that the derivation of the word slash is, literally, the slash-symbol in K/S (Kirk/Spock), etc. Also of note, girl-girl slash is rare enough to get a special designation - femslash.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 1, 2005 15:44:31 GMT -5
Thank you for all of the answers...I feel more informed now. Of course, slash would have to be out of the question...of course heterosexual comments should be kept out too because Pam was too good for any of the people in the show.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 1, 2005 17:03:01 GMT -5
Thank you for all of the answers...I feel more informed now. Of course, slash would have to be out of the question...of course heterosexual comments should be kept out too because Pam was too good for any of the people in the show. Glad to be of help. I see billswoman or someone else is going to have to write a Marty Stu with you in it someday, HD.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 2, 2005 11:50:06 GMT -5
I guess...and then at the end Pam can wake up relieved to be with me and not Bill or Ralph or any other Tom, Dick, or Harry who is not worthy of having her.
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Post by MelMac on Oct 19, 2006 15:22:50 GMT -5
I think the show wasn't too bad because it did show that the greenguys didn't just approve one type of person in the suit. True, they didn't choose Bill, but there was a reason: He was pretty strict and by the book. Ralph was flexible enough to do what was best in the situation, fight or flight. This didn't quite show in the pilot attempt, but I could see that potential there. That's why Ralph and Bill worked as well as they did.
Another reason it didn't stink... it did still have a spooky ship with the music too. And, it showed that most (Pam exception) of the characters were susceptible to temptation and such, which didn't always happen. Ralph was tempted to use the suit to boost his popularity, Holly was tempted to use it to save the whales, as Bill said not your typical suit scenario, Bill was tempted to ask Ralph to tell the green guys to let him use the suit himself to bust the bad guys. Just all around temptation, which did show a little bit of humanity (though Holly still was a little too unreal once she got the suit.)
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Post by mmderdekea on Oct 27, 2006 22:31:17 GMT -5
Hello, all,
I had a couple of real problems with GAHeroine, although Bill being absolutely even more gorgeous in the pilot than he was in the regular GAH show did stop my heart more than once. And Culp had really trimmed down, too, although he was never anything but a few pounds overweight in GAH.
However, I really had problems with Holly. For one thing, I found her obnoxiously self-absorbed. When she lands on Bill upon first meeting him--no matter that I pictured myself lying on Bill and not accidentally--and she injures his back, she doesn't even notice!! At least Ralph had the courtesy to say "I'm sorry" when he first broke Bill's hand. Holly's complete lack of listening to the more experienced Bill in the bar scene was very annoying--and leads to Bill being attacked and beaten. Holly has apparently a complete disregard for others, being so self-assured of her own actions. This is dangerous (for Bill) and rude. She is also so open with her suit in the bar, one can imagine that pretty soon the whole world will once again know of a suited heroine.
Last, it really irritated me when Ralph and Pam were in the spaceship, Ralph being called upon to give up the suit. To Bill? No, not him! They list off several adjectives like integrity and such, and make a face that Bill doesn't have those. Oh, REALLY? Who did NOT out himself publically and make an ass of himself on TV, like Ralph did after he was uncovered. Who stayed quietly behind the scenes, not seeking movie deals and etc, but quietly continuing to want to help save the world? Whose ego did NOT get out of complete control? Why, Bill's! So, to for Ralph to disparage the true blue, loyal, patriot Bill on the spaceship, and green guys to kind of agree, rather irritated me.
Although, yes, Bill would look unbearable ridiculous in the suit. Thank God he never got it.
Last, precociously obnoxious children do not do it for me. However, I loved seeing Bill interact with her.
I did like Bill obviously being seen to have his own office and be somewhat in charge of, at least, himself. He had apparently reached a level of respect at the FBI. Finally!
Also, did I mention that Robert Culp is absolutely GORGEOUS in the pilot? So, yes, I've watched it over and over. If I was Holly would I have UST with Bill? Yes, but I'd also have very spoken sex with him, too. After, of course, I apologized for landing on him.
Mona
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Post by billswoman on Oct 27, 2006 22:50:37 GMT -5
That training sequence on the football field may be hands-down the single most lame ass scene in the entire G.A.H. world. Someone should be slapped for that... hard. Wait, isn't this the "Did NOT Suck" thread? I still say I liked this as much as I did GAH, and would've watched it. I mean, BILL? That alone would've made it worth it, more MAXWELL!
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Post by billswoman on Oct 27, 2006 22:56:20 GMT -5
Mona said "...did I mention that Robert Culp is absolutely GORGEOUS in the pilot?" Waitaminnit, like this, Mona? And in the Office of the Top Field Agent in the US of A: I'd say he was what here, about 55 (I'm assuming it was before August 16, 1986)? Hell, that's only ten years older than I am now... not bad at all!
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Post by MelMac on Oct 27, 2006 23:03:19 GMT -5
That's my issue with this debate. It's not pros/cons of GAHeroine in that case. The one saving grace was Culp, but for it to have worked at least better, he shouldn't have been the new wearer's partner. But, that's for the suck category. I've noticed too that Culp is the main reason why this didn't suck for most... but personally I feel this dind't work because this should've been made with a new duo, not new suit wearer/Bill. That's one of the biggest reasons I think it didn't work. People associated Bill and Ralph. Personally, I feel, even with Ralph way out of character (I blame writing for it, they could've given him a dignified departure. Example, I've proven in my spinoff there could've been a hell of a better reason to give up the suit), the original TRIO is the reason worth watching. That's just my two cents.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 27, 2006 23:18:37 GMT -5
Not to disparage Mona of her diatribe, which is well-written, but Bill had been bitten by the ego bug several times and his only saving grace was that he had not been caught in public like Ralph was in HEROINE. The situation was vastly different if you recall. Especially since the PRESIDENT caught Ralph and put him in the spotlight...as it was, Ralph kept Bill out of it and that probably helped his career because then no one associated the two of them...which is odd after all that time. Culp was definitely the best thing about the HEROINE pilot...mainly his one-liners and such, but also his scene with the little girl. I think his character was slightly off with the new clothes and that stupid football field training though. The show was great in that it helped little girls feel MORE a part of the action...and that had not REALLY been the case since WONDER WOMAN. Even in GAH, Pam was more a secondary character...especially at the end of the original run.
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Post by jopierce on Oct 28, 2006 7:17:23 GMT -5
I am posting this in the wrong thread, perhaps, because I find absolutely no reason to think GAHeroine did anything BUT suck.... except the "You gave the suit to a girl" line. But one line in a whole pilot?
I was robbed. The producers of GAHeroine stole that friggin hour of my life, and I want it back...
HD, thanks for bringing up the idea that it made little girls feel more in charge. But did it? I don't remember seeing it as a teen when it would have been in syndication, so I can't say from personal experience.
My feeling, as a woman (not a girl at this point) is that it was not a woman friendly pilot, even if the wearer was a woman.
Holly was such a self-absorbed airhead that at this point I find that whole episode offensive. Perhaps there really are bubble headed women like this out there, but luckily I do not know any. Maybe it's a NY thing, but I can't imagine anyone like that actually being out there... not really. She was not a real person. While the others I can imagine existing out there, she seemed too contrived.
I prefer the GAH women to be stronger. Certainly the suit wearer should be, at some level. Maybe not strong with too much bravado and machismo, but strong in resolve, character and strength.
I think the GAH women and a GAHeroine should be more like Pam in "Chicken in Every Plot" - when she stays on the island despite being told to leave, then gets them out of jail with legal mumbo jumbo. That's was the best Pam episode in my opinion.
I think that Holly was so stereotypically bubble headed, self-absorbed, annoying, sickly saccharine sweet, poorly acted, and otherwise annoying that there was no way that she could be considered a strong female role model. In fact, I would think that this was one of the reasons it didn't do well. It was actually offensive how she was portrayed.
And don't even get me going on that kid... What was it in the 80s with precocious, annoying and dorky kids being considered cute? What were people thinking?
What might have worked for Heroine? There were lots of ways they could have gone with it... But this wasn't it.
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Post by culpkatt on Oct 28, 2006 8:30:34 GMT -5
Holly was such a self-absorbed airhead that at this point I find that whole episode offensive. Perhaps there really are bubble headed women like this out there...
Trust me, there are. I just recently dated one of them.
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