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Post by billswoman on Mar 20, 2007 15:15:06 GMT -5
Is there a two-hour script??
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 20, 2007 15:17:59 GMT -5
Is there a two-hour script?? I believe so. It was either the J-Man or GG telling us about it...maybe Lauren. There was a two-hour script to set up the plot, just like with the GAH pilot, but it was trimmed down because NBC only wanted an hour of it. From what I hear there was a more involved rescue scene and the three original leads had a little more screen time. I am wondering if there was Carlisle time and stuff too.
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Post by MelMac on Mar 20, 2007 18:29:45 GMT -5
All I know is it was a two-hour pilot, but the point about how Ralph loses the suit is the same way and Holly's casting, I don't think it'd worked out regardless.
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Post by mmderdekea on Mar 21, 2007 8:37:02 GMT -5
Hello, HD,
I agree that Bill wasn't moved up to Supervisor, like Carlisle, as that is more administrative and less field officer. Bill obviously couldn't/wouldn't give up being a field officer with him still the partner of the suit wearer.
I hadn't know they originally had a 2 hour version written. But, yes, aside from reworking Ralph's losing the suit (I can see the ego, but not taken to the extreme of appearing on the Tonight Show, etc.), and answering questions about Bill, his new position, and his new, improved suit clothing choices. Perhaps there was some girlfriend who took him clothes shopping....? ;-)
Mona
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Post by MelMac on Mar 21, 2007 9:54:43 GMT -5
Hello, HD, I agree that Bill wasn't moved up to Supervisor, like Carlisle, as that is more administrative and less field officer. Bill obviously couldn't/wouldn't give up being a field officer with him still the partner of the suit wearer. I hadn't know they originally had a 2 hour version written. But, yes, aside from reworking Ralph's losing the suit (I can see the ego, but not taken to the extreme of appearing on the Tonight Show, etc.), and answering questions about Bill, his new position, and his new, improved suit clothing choices. Perhaps there was some girlfriend who took him clothes shopping....? ;-) Mona I felt the "SNL" bit was gimmicky at best, especially since the show's never been scripted the way it's portrayed here with Ralph speaking in a megaphone and such. Of course, that could be the first skit, but still, it'd go to the opening titles after the "Live from New York, it's Saturday Night!" Overall, I just feel the whole shebang is contrived to get things to fall into place for a new suit wearer. I still don't see him losing the suit because of ego, mostly because if that held true... he should've lost it in "200 MPH Fastball." He didn't though because he reformed, and if they stayed true to Ralph's character, he would've here. While he had been warned before (one case Bill was the one who caused problems for both with the green guys ("Vanity"), Ralph always returned to the straight and narrow to help others out. It was out of character for Ralph to behave that way. I'm not saying this based on Katt's performance, because he played the character well despite this. As far as the story as aired, I also feel Bill remaining aboard teamed with Holly felt contrived just like Ralph's losing the suit. If you listen closely to the green guys' comments, it is strongly implied that they were going to erase Bill's memories of the suit (Roughly, "Do you think Mr. Maxwell should keep his memories?" when Ralph mentions Bill, getting the idea of him getting the suit). Then suddenly, they decide that since Bill was there for more of the informant role, they didn't see a problem with him continuing in the position. Why not (save the real life scenarios of Katt and Sellecca) have Ralph and Pam at times help out Holly and Bill on scenarios? Just Bill getting the go-ahead felt contrived to link the old and new. It might've worked had they given Holly a new partner. The GG's comments make me wonder if Bill did something (such as not trying to get Ralph to come to his senses) that wasn't aired but in the script that made the green guys upset enough that they felt he also shouldn't remember the partnership (as they did discuss Pam's remembering). If so, Ralph's question made them think more about it and reconsider. Of course, I don't have the script and can't say if anything was tried. As it aired, the episode felt way too contrived to get Ralph to lose the suit and Bill to continue on. Holly made it a bit worse with her overconfidence and perfectness. Overall, it just felt too contrived to have worked well anyway. They should've had Ralph handover the suit in a way closer to character to an entirely new team and he, Pam and Bill retire and actually have a life outside of wacky scenarios... only to have the very occasional "We need help with the suit. It's driving us bonkers with this power," stories. IMO, I think it'd could've worked out better.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 21, 2007 11:12:28 GMT -5
Hello, HD, I agree that Bill wasn't moved up to Supervisor, like Carlisle, as that is more administrative and less field officer. Bill obviously couldn't/wouldn't give up being a field officer with him still the partner of the suit wearer. I hadn't know they originally had a 2 hour version written. But, yes, aside from reworking Ralph's losing the suit (I can see the ego, but not taken to the extreme of appearing on the Tonight Show, etc.), and answering questions about Bill, his new position, and his new, improved suit clothing choices. Perhaps there was some girlfriend who took him clothes shopping....? ;-) Mona I was thinking that Pam finally convinced him that he had to DRESS the part of his new role if he wanted it...and so, she helped him get there.
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Post by mmderdekea on Mar 21, 2007 20:57:36 GMT -5
Hey, HD,
I think it would be COOL for Pam to have helped Bill upgrade his clothing. I hadn't thought of that. I think it would have been a fun, sarcastic and kind of sweet afternoon between the two of them.
Mona
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 22, 2007 8:17:11 GMT -5
Hey, HD, I think it would be COOL for Pam to have helped Bill upgrade his clothing. I hadn't thought of that. I think it would have been a fun, sarcastic and kind of sweet afternoon between the two of them. Mona Ditto. Can you imagine Bill at some of the stores that Pam would have likely taken him too? Overall, I think it would have been neat to get some of this background too about Bill...and had the series gone, we might have. Of course, the two-hour version might have helped with that too.
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Post by MelMac on Mar 22, 2007 12:40:08 GMT -5
Hey, HD, I think it would be COOL for Pam to have helped Bill upgrade his clothing. I hadn't thought of that. I think it would have been a fun, sarcastic and kind of sweet afternoon between the two of them. Mona Ditto. Can you imagine Bill at some of the stores that Pam would have likely taken him too? Overall, I think it would have been neat to get some of this background too about Bill...and had the series gone, we might have. Of course, the two-hour version might have helped with that too. We know more about Bill's personal life in the regular series over Pam and definitely Ralph (save he has a mom), so it'd probably be more of if he got a promotion or something. Or, as far as the way this pilot went, we might have Bill call Ralph and Pam occasionally about what's going on in their lives because I don't see them just up and abandon Bill. That was another irky point in the pilot for me. And... Pam taking Bill to a clothing store to shop, even a shoe shop, would be a good story.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 29, 2008 12:28:05 GMT -5
I don't really think that WILLIAM ever hated the part or even the costume... at the time, he was very young and feared to be typecasted. Sometimes, success goes in your head and blur your chance to judge.
Toaday, I'm sure he regrets everything, and love the costume as well...!!! At the time, he had pressure.
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Post by jopierce on Sept 29, 2008 12:31:33 GMT -5
Didn't he say specifically that he hated the costume?
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Post by jopierce on Sept 29, 2008 12:39:41 GMT -5
Didn't he say specifically that he hated the costume? Wait - didn't he specifically say that in the interview on the DVD?
Sorry, but I am going to take Katt's word for it.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 29, 2008 12:40:09 GMT -5
Didn't he say specifically that he hated the costume? Yep. And I believe SJC mentioned it as well.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 29, 2008 13:14:12 GMT -5
Didn't he say specifically that he hated the costume? Wait - didn't he specifically say that in the interview on the DVD?
Sorry, but I am going to take Katt's word for it.
[/size][/quote] At one time he did, but as with most people, opinions about things such as costumes change. Katt did in fact say he didn't like the costume at the time and "Wanted to burn it," but on the flip side he said he liked the role of Ralph. He has since publicly said that he embraces the role - all of it, and wishes he had a copy of the suit now. And, he has of course worn a slight variation of it for the TV Land awards. I think TGIH hit it on the head though as to why Katt might've been worried about the suit and not like it. Back in the days he was Ralph, being a superhero was a risky undertaking. More often than not, you were typecast as a superhero after that role. Sometimes, you could still succeed, and other times it could be a career breaker. It's one reason George Reeves hated being Superman, Adam West still wore his Batman costume to get appearances and at said appearances until there was a cease and desist put on him; and others had harder times getting roles afterward. In the case of "GAHeroine," Katt has said on the record that he turned down the chance to play Ralph again for the simple fact that he was in "Perry Mason" and did not want to break his contract with the show. This is after a guaranteed THREE years to do "GAH" again. Plus, given that Connie was unavailable due to ABC's saying no to her crossing over networks for both "Hotel" and "GAH," it is just as well - we wouldn't have had both characters back.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 29, 2008 13:23:16 GMT -5
Uh, Mel. No one ever said he didn't take HEROINE because he hated the suit. It was a simple question about the suit and I have to agree with Josie that Katt hated it. Regardless of the reason behind hating it, he said he hated it at the time. I agree with the person that had to wear the suit.
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Post by mmderdekea on Sept 29, 2008 13:32:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I think it's pretty clear that Katt has stated emphatically he hated wearing the suit on TGAH. Gotta agree with HD and Josie.
Mona
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 29, 2008 13:35:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I think it's pretty clear that Katt has stated emphatically he hated wearing the suit on TGAH. Gotta agree with HD and Josie. Mona AT THE TIME. People change. I've read one of the last interviews Katt did (to promote the comic book) and he HAS changed his opinions on 'GAH', stating that at the time he was too young to appreciate it.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 29, 2008 13:51:44 GMT -5
No one said he didn't change his mind. It is his right as it is with anyone. However, you posted: I don't really think that WILLIAM ever hated the part or even the costume... at the time, he was very young and feared to be typecasted. Sometimes, success goes in your head and blur your chance to judge. Toaday, I'm sure he regrets everything, and love the costume as well...!!! At the time, he had pressure. We were merely pointing out that he DID hate it at one point. Maybe if you read what people actually wrote instead of just seeing what you want, there would not be that confusion.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 29, 2008 14:01:06 GMT -5
No one said he didn't change his mind. It is his right as it is with anyone. However, you posted: I don't really think that WILLIAM ever hated the part or even the costume... at the time, he was very young and feared to be typecasted. Sometimes, success goes in your head and blur your chance to judge. Toaday, I'm sure he regrets everything, and love the costume as well...!!! At the time, he had pressure. We were merely pointing out that he DID hate it at one point. Maybe if you read what people actually wrote instead of just seeing what you want, there would not be that confusion. Man, I'm not one of the villains! ;D
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Post by MelMac on Sept 29, 2008 14:17:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I think it's pretty clear that Katt has stated emphatically he hated wearing the suit on TGAH. Gotta agree with HD and Josie. Mona Um... please read my posts in their entirety. First three lines in my previous post mention what you and HD have said (bold emphasis): At one time he did, but as with most people, opinions about things such as costumes change.
Katt did in fact say he didn't like the costume at the time and "Wanted to burn it," but on the flip side he said he liked the role of Ralph.
He has since publicly said that he embraces the role - all of it, and wishes he had a copy of the suit now. And, he has of course worn a slight variation of it for the TV Land awards.I know and have known for some time he has stated that he didn't like the suit while on "The Greatest American Hero." I have watched the DVD collection interviews and know he said when asked if he wanted to have a copy of the suit, he said "yeah, so I can burn it in effigy." That said, since that interview, he has since changed his mind about it and now embraces the suit. He even wishes he had a copy. I transitioned to the "GAHeroine" comments because at least in the past I have read implications that people think Katt refused the role because he hated said suit. And, it was also to explain TGIH's reasonings to why Katt probably didn't like the suit then.
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