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Post by MelMac on Mar 8, 2008 20:43:57 GMT -5
Don't worry, HD, at some point, Bill sneaked into Holly's house one night, picked up a sleeping Sarah, drove out to Palmsdale and left her for the GGs to pick up and give to JJ Beck and Marshall for them to have to deal with, as punishment for abusing the suit! Mona That would have been a fun episode to see. Have to admit, that'd been better than what we received.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 22, 2008 12:03:04 GMT -5
The HORRID "forget thing" is an INSULT to the one and only GAH series... I would accept GAHeroine as *CANON* only if the "forget thing" was meant as a metaphor (in the way "people will turn their back and will not remember you as a hero once you have no suit anymore").
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Post by MelMac on Sept 22, 2008 12:12:30 GMT -5
The HORRID "forget thing" is an INSULT to the one and only GAH series... I would accept GAHeroine as *CANON* only if the "forget thing" was meant as a metaphor (in the way "people will turn their back and will not remember you as a hero once you have no suit anymore"). Sorry for the belated welcome, but welcome to the boards TGIH. Totally understand you too on the whole "erasing memories" thing. That doesn't make any sense, as someone could simply wipe their memories of Ralph in the suit and he could've either kept the suit or Pam could've had it - not a new wearer. Then, there's the change of the greenguys' attitudes of Bill going from having his memory erased as well to becoming Holly's partner. If they were so fickle in changing their minds that way, why not just make Ralph and Bill experience a day where they didn't have the suit and someone else did - then give it back to them? Just doesn't make sense.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 22, 2008 12:16:38 GMT -5
Sir, Thanks for the warm welcome. Can someone explain me the whole "erasing memories" sequence/situation, since I never watched this damn 'GAHeroine' pilot?
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Post by MelMac on Sept 22, 2008 12:36:42 GMT -5
Sir, Thanks for the warm welcome. Can someone explain me the whole "erasing memories" sequence, since I never watched this pilot? You're welcome, though it's just Mel. "Sir" is a bit of a joke right now, as I said Ralph and Bill usually address the greenguys as "Sir" when face to face. ) But here's the best way to explain the memory erase sequence. Ralph has pretty much crossed the line and he and Pam are driven to Palmdale (courtesy of the GGs taking control of Pam's beetle), and beamed up. There, they meet a triumvirate of the greenguys (when it usually is just one and the little assistant), and they mention that Ralph was a celebrity now courtesy of the suit, is known now and that was not what the suit was meant for. The GGs then mention there is a way to erase the earth's memories of the suit, and Ralph inquires as to why. GG's response: "Simple, you must hand the suit over to someone else." Ralph: "You mean I have to resign?" (Greenguys nod.) Pam consoles him, and says he'll have his memories - or will he? When they nod, Pam says that she should remember as well. After conferring, the GGs say she can too. Ralph asks about Bill, and they say "Do you think we should let Mr. Maxwell retain his memories?" But Ralph says "Well, what about him in the suit?" They groan, and Pam then mentions the traits needed to wear the suit... both coming to the conclusion it doesn't fit Bill. The Greenguys then say "Mr. Maxwell was intended to be an associate. I do not see reason as to why he cannot continue in that function" (or, where I mention the contradiction). Then, Ralph is told to find the new wearer, and both he and Pam remember about the instruction book - which he's lost both given to him. The Greenguys inquire about if he lost it again saying he surely shouldn't have lost the second one. Ralph hems and haws "No..." and they say "good, because we have none left to give." Both Pam and Ralph have that look of "Oh, terrific" and walk away, disappearing as they are beamed back to the ship. Then there's the search, where it's pretty obvious Ralph is going to choose Holly. He "interviews" her at the school to make sure she's the one, and he ends that with "How good do you look in red?" She goes "What?," and then comes the scene where the trio say their goodbyes and Bill meets Holly. There were no filmed scenes of people forgetting Ralph and the suit, but it's just in the space ship.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 22, 2008 15:49:15 GMT -5
The HORRID "forget thing" is an INSULT to the one and only GAH series... I would accept GAHeroine as *CANON* only if the "forget thing" was meant as a metaphor (in the way "people will turn their back and will not remember you as a hero once you have no suit anymore"). We don't know they didn't mean it that way. They left it pretty vague in the 200 MPH FASTBALL too, but people forgot about him.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 22, 2008 15:57:14 GMT -5
The HORRID "forget thing" is an INSULT to the one and only GAH series... I would accept GAHeroine as *CANON* only if the "forget thing" was meant as a metaphor (in the way "people will turn their back and will not remember you as a hero once you have no suit anymore"). We don't know they didn't mean it that way. They left it pretty vague in the 200 MPH FASTBALL too, but people forgot about him. But he also wore a Stars uniform over most of his suit, whereas in "GAHeroine" they see him in the whole suit, and based on the dialogue, it's probably more than just the one time. Plus, it's not a one time thing - he keeps using the suit for celebrity uses several times before the greenguys force him to quit.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 22, 2008 16:13:43 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait. When Bill meets Holly for the VERY first time, does he STILL retain his old GAH memories?
MAYBE the Greenguys intended to erase the memories on Earth AFTER the successful find of a new wearer, but they could have changed their mind in the very end.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 22, 2008 16:45:20 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait. When Bill meets Holly for the VERY first time, does he STILL retain his old GAH memories? MAYBE the Greenguys intended to erase the memories on Earth AFTER the successful find of a new wearer, but they could have changed their mind in the very end. Yes, they were originally going to erase his memories, but after Ralph and Pam pretty much supported the idea of him still being tied to the suit (though Ralph suggested originally Bill get the suit ( ), the greenguys changed their mind. Bill, Pam and Ralph are the only ones who have memories of Ralph wearing the suit. I do not know if Holly did or not, though it's apparent that she forgot about them afterward - no mention made of them later on, such as "Ralph said to follow your heart" or something by Holly.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 22, 2008 17:14:05 GMT -5
So there's NO on-screen evidence Earth has forgotten about Ralph's exploits as superhero.
And Holly is supposed to have forget about Ralph and Pam... right?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 22, 2008 18:13:56 GMT -5
Well, we never hear them mentioned again.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 22, 2008 18:56:39 GMT -5
So there's NO on-screen evidence Earth has forgotten about Ralph's exploits as superhero. And Holly is supposed to have forget about Ralph and Pam... right? I agree with HD - the two are never mentioned again, and Holly seems to have ignored Ralph. Personally, I think in the scenes of her in the suit she turned into the Ralph we saw in the beginning of the episode - shallow and selfish to what is needed. One reason I kinda wondered the Greenguys' wisdom of having Ralph choose the successor. I would guess the only on screen notice about people "forgetting Ralph" would be the bar scene - but it's in Newfoundland, where they might not have seen Ralph's "SNL" or any other appearance to begin with.
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Post by Captain Marbles on Jul 24, 2016 22:24:51 GMT -5
So there's NO on-screen evidence Earth has forgotten about Ralph's exploits as superhero. And Holly is supposed to have forget about Ralph and Pam... right? I agree with HD - the two are never mentioned again, and Holly seems to have ignored Ralph. Personally, I think in the scenes of her in the suit she turned into the Ralph we saw in the beginning of the episode - shallow and selfish to what is needed. One reason I kinda wondered the Greenguys' wisdom of having Ralph choose the successor. I would guess the only on screen notice about people "forgetting Ralph" would be the bar scene - but it's in Newfoundland, where they might not have seen Ralph's "SNL" or any other appearance to begin with. That reminds me of something else I don't get about Heroine—Bill flashing his FBI badge in Newfoundland, even though he should know perfectly well he has no jurisdiction there—what with it being part of Canada and all.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 27, 2016 15:30:51 GMT -5
That reminds me of something else I don't get about Heroine—Bill flashing his FBI badge in Newfoundland, even though he should know perfectly well he has no jurisdiction there—what with it being part of Canada and all. They really did mess up the writing of the characters, and it was clear with Bill on many. They'd been far better off just continuing with a completely new pair, where it's just mentioned Ralph gave up wearing the suit/retired with Bill and they lived on with their lives. Or better still - they waited until William Katt (in Perry Mason movies at the time) and Connie Sellecca (in Hotel) were available and then try again with all three of them. Katt was offered a guaranteed two seasons to come back to play Ralph, and apparently he was tempted. Honestly, I don't blame him for wanting to stay with "Perry Mason" - not only would it expand his range so to speak (so people knew he was more than Ralph Hinkley), the Mason series was quite popular back in its radio and TV series. (I honestly think he's better than William Moses in these too). I would however admit if things had been different and he agreed, the biggest demand he had was to NEVER put him in the suit with the shiny side of the spandex showing. It's common knowledge he hated the suit, but that version he wore in "GAHeroine" even I wouldn't have wanted to wear. (Note - I say that when I've worn a silver unitard with a blue and white tulle skirt - in high school speech tournaments at other schools).
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Post by Captain Marbles on Jan 19, 2019 3:32:01 GMT -5
Something else that's bugged me about "Heroine" - Why the Hell did the government set out to expose Ralph to the public like that in the first place?! I mean, if you have a secret asset is it wise to let everyone in on it - especially your enemies? Even without the whole super ego trip celebrity thing, they still exposed Pam and Kevin and Ralph's special ed class and who knows how many other innocents that Ralph knows to extreme danger from criminals and terrorists looking for revenge or who wanted to coerce Ralph into using the suit's powers to commit crimes for them! And I would really hope the people in charge of the USA aren't that brain dead!
The again, they did cook up "Operation Spoilsport" so - who knows?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jan 21, 2019 9:55:39 GMT -5
Good point. I hadn't thought about collateral damage
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Post by Captain Marbles on May 23, 2019 15:18:57 GMT -5
A couple of more things.
First, why'd they change the suit for Holly in "Heroine"? Seriously, it was perfect for her already - what with the little kilt and boot spats and everything. Even the size was perfect - a slightly baggy suit would have made it look a bit more ridiculous, but also a bit cooler by adding to her character and giving her a bit of depth instead of making her look and act like a feel good liberal floozy in tights and a cape just to try for higher ratings. But no, they had to make it more flattering to her figure and curves, I guess. Even though they were moving towards making it a more kid friendly almost Saturday morning kind of show.
Also, as far as naming the worst episode - I can't believe no one here has mentioned "Heaven in in Your Genes." I mean, it has an over the top mad scientist doing genetic research to discover just how Bill is such an effective agent because - that's how genetics works, I guess -
Also, it has a certain famous humongous professional wrestler playing a "Frankenstein's Monster" type of creature terrorizing everyone because - you've got to have a monster, if you're going to have a mad scientist in your episode, right?
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