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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 3, 2006 17:36:24 GMT -5
As far as I know, we did not hear anything from Connie about the birthday card we sent, but we are hopeful...if you have any ideas or want to talk about Connie or her Pam persona more than the boys sometime, come to missdavidson.proboards84.comIt's a blast.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 6, 2006 21:19:28 GMT -5
Everyone is invited to the Pam forum at missdavidson.proboards84.comWe are trying to set up some Pam fanfiction, work on focusing how Pam both helped and hurt the show, as well as focusing on such items of interest as other Sellecca works. It would be nice if more people would stop by and look and hopefully join...if not join, at least stop by in the member section and say what you would like to see. We like ideas to improve as well. Maybe we can get more members if non-members helped us out. Think about it.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 9, 2006 22:32:44 GMT -5
The Pam board has just been updated...new colors, new sections, as current information as we have on Connie and some of her current works...etc. Let us know what you think. The members section is open to all.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 11, 2006 9:12:53 GMT -5
We have updated again and are working to expand some of our Pam projects. Even if you are not a huge Pam fan, stop by and let us know how we are doing. If you ever feel bored and want to help us restructure, especially since I am not good with computer-oriented things, I think that would be swell. We are all a team...based on our GAH love, you know...even if we do have pet projects like the individual team member boards.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Aug 10, 2006 18:34:23 GMT -5
MyTatuo, do you care if we utilize this on the Pam board...maybe as an automatic icon until people get their own avatars and such up?
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Post by MyTatuo on Aug 17, 2006 15:35:48 GMT -5
I simply found it, I didn't draw it, and therefore have no claim to it. Do what you will with her. ...the picture, I mean...
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Aug 17, 2006 15:37:04 GMT -5
I simply found it, I didn't draw it, and therefore have no claim to it. Do what you will with her. ...the picture, I mean... Thanks. I will....I mean that would be a nice benefit to the members. Where did you find it? I looked over a LOT of internet...and could not find it. Do you remember?
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Post by MyTatuo on Aug 17, 2006 15:58:11 GMT -5
If I recall, I did a Google Image Search for "Sellecca" and waded through all the repeat pics that we've all seen before and finally found something original.
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Post by scenario on Oct 5, 2006 0:21:03 GMT -5
LOL@"Not sure why the bruthas ain't doin' it for themselves" Then we can't forget this one: Oh man, she is incredible. This may be kinda sleazy, but imagine the ratings if she dressed like that all the time. You know if GAH was on today, they would definately sex Connie/Pam up, put her in skimpy outfits all the time.
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Post by billswoman on Oct 8, 2006 14:30:17 GMT -5
All I can say, is maybe she dresses similarly "behind closed doors" with Ralph, because in this scene from Carlini, when P&R are standing there talking, not ONCE does Ralph even bat an eye at his drop-dead gorgeous girlfriend (who's far too good for him, btw...) I mean, even in "Newlywed Game," Bill does a double-take and gasps when she sees her in her bridal gown; that man appreciates great beauty at least, lol!
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Post by jopierce on Oct 8, 2006 21:11:21 GMT -5
not ONCE does Ralph even bat an eye at his drop-dead gorgeous girlfriend (who's far too good for him, btw...) ROTFLMAO!!
He's a friggin SUPERHERO!!! What more do you want??
Seriously, I never got the idea that he is not good enough for her. Money wise? She has the higher earning potential. Looks wise, depends on your type. As far as character, well, the LGG did give him the suit, didn't they?
Aw, geez. Am I defending Ralph?
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Post by MelMac on Oct 8, 2006 22:21:47 GMT -5
Yes, you are. I do think the two were meant for each other. As long as they do a job they enjoy that pays well and is legal, they are getting paid well. Personally, with one exception, I don't see a difference in income being an issue for two people who love each other. I see Pam loving Ralph for just that: being Ralph. I think she'd been a really bad character if she married just for money given her profession and the way her parents seem to be (down to Earth like Ralph's mom). Now, if she was after someone like Knight or that creep in "Classical Gas" for seriousness, then I'd really be worried there.
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Post by billswoman on Oct 9, 2006 7:06:01 GMT -5
Aw, I kid. All the fakeshipping with Bill & Pam aside, I like the P&R 'ship better. I think they're cute together. Pam goes in a bit about their 'ship in "Saturday on Sunset Blvd" of course, and she gripes about him often enough, but in the end (although I wish they hadn't waited so long), they become the Mr. and Mrs. I kid when I say he's not good enough for her. Really I do. He's a kind man, idealistic, intelligent, a hard worker AND a superhero. And he makes her laugh and they can cut up together. With a world of too many losers, I'm sure Pam was glad she took his case as his attorney.
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Post by scenario on Oct 9, 2006 10:33:46 GMT -5
In the DVD interviews Robert Culp said that Ralph was "way overmatched" with Pam the attorney. He said something about Ralph being a "nice chap" but still overmatched. Hard to tell if he was talking looks or earning potential.
When I was a kid I would have agreed with Culp, back then I did think Ralph was overmatched with Pam, both in the looks department and earning potential department. She looks like a gorgeous model and she's an attorney, what was she doing with Ralph Hinkley who teaches special ed? As I've gotten older, I think Ralph and Pam make a good couple, in terms of earning potential, ofcourse Pam would make more then Ralph. Stephen J. Cannell seemed to be OK with it. It's not too distracting for me as it used to be, I don't think it's outrageous to buy it. I went to school once with a guy that's wife was president of a company. So it does happen many times where the woman makes a lot more then the man.
I just remembered Ralph's previous wife was a model too, Alicia, so there seems to be something at play with this guy being able to get the really gorgeous women. (without the help of the suit)
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Post by jopierce on Oct 9, 2006 11:17:58 GMT -5
Well, although he's not really my type, William Katt is a classically good looking guy. So the ability to get attractive women would not be out of the range of possibilities.
As far as Culp saying he was outmatched, I actually disagree with that... but that's my opinion.
And, yes. Some women do outperform their partners. Now, Bill would not like that one bit, we know. But it has been known to happen.
I think the whole point is that Ralph could have been anything, but as an idealist and very giving, he sacrificed his earning potential to teach. He probably could have even gone on to something like Higher Ed, since he was supposed to be an "egghead." But he wanted to help these kids. In my opinion, that is why the LGGs gave him the suit. Because he would be the kind to sacrifice for a cause. He was, when push came to shove, pretty selfless. Not 100%, not all the time, but overall he was.
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Post by scenario on Oct 9, 2006 11:51:08 GMT -5
^Going OT from the Pam discussion...
Personally I didn't like the idea of making Ralph an "egghead", he was a teacher and knew proper grammar as he corrects Bill in the pilot, but he didn't seem like an egghead egghead to me.
I always thought the character was a bit retconed as the series progressed into being a champion of humanity and some sort of overachieving student when he was a kid. In the 3rd season episode "Price is Right" we find out Ralph was voted most likely to succeed and such in high school, and I'm not sure but I think he was also class valedictorian. I just don't like that. I preferred looking at it that Ralph was totally an ordinary guy, and in school he was an ordinary guy that chose to be a teacher. Getting voted most likely to succeed is just a bit more extraordinary.
The guy was an idealist that believed everybody counted as he told Tony in "Saturday on Sunset Blvd", he believed in those kids when everyone else wanted to give up on them. But I really didn't get the impression Ralph was a "save the whales" type in the 1st season, that too seemed to be added into the character as the show went on. I thought he got the suit because he was a good man, an honest man that believed everyone counted and had a purpose, but as we got further into the 2nd season and 3rd season the character seemed retconed into much more of a hippie. This was how I felt about it anyway, but I don't think it got too bad. The extreme version of Ralph ofcourse would be the constant do-gooder Holly Hathaway. "so what's the deal, so you and I are going to be partners huh? You smoke them out and I come fly in and save the day!" ughhh..
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Post by jopierce on Oct 9, 2006 12:33:30 GMT -5
Well, this getting a bit off topic, but that's ok. As Pam's other half, talking about Ralph means talking about her.
Actually, Ralph always was a hippie type, and an academic type. But think about the Keaton parents in Family Ties - the old time hippies of the 60s & 70s got more conservative during the Reagan era. Ralph probably wasn't as entrenched in that lifestyle, but grew up with it, and can relate.
Remember the people Ralph used to hang out with? (The Hippie chick in It's All Downhill from Here was a friend, and maybe a role-model). The fact he now wants a jaguar is pretty weird, and shows that he may be "selling out." Perhaps all that time hanging around lawyers and models? And didn't he mention in Wizards & Warlocks that he protested the war? And what was he going to do with his diablo gold? Endow a library.
But the final proof is the poster Ralph has displayed prominently in his dining room. If you don't recognize it, it's a VERY famous poster proudly displayed by bleeding heart liberals and teachers and hippies.
Bumper sticker version Poster in Ralph's house (By the way - a poster in the living room? Not very corporate lawyer of you, Ralph!)
The poster is hanging on the wall behind Pam. And just look at Bill's face. I bet he is mad as he11!!
I do think it's odd that Ralph and Pam are together, but not because she is too good for him, but because for bleeding heart liberal eggheads, corporate lawyers and models usually don't hang out in our, um, I mean their circles...
But if we know anything about the characters, they are all pretty complex.
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Post by scenario on Oct 9, 2006 13:12:03 GMT -5
Perhaps I made a mistake with my post, this is getting too political and antagonistic. What I disliked was character and premise changes, and I felt that Ralph became somewhat retconed as the series progressed, from idealist into the man of humanity, peace corps volunteer. This is not a dig against people like that, these are all dear virtues, and my own personal politics actually would be closer to the Ralph Hinkley mold then the Bill Maxwell Reagan warrior.
It's how the character was presented originally, compared to what he grew into. I thought it took away from how I originally viewed the Ralph Hinkley character from the 1st season. I never liked it, it made Ralph too much of save the squirrels poster boy. Anyway, what really irked me was Ralph being voted most likely to succeed in high school and such. I didn't agree with this decision either. I liked Ralph being more everyday guy. I suppose I was bound to spark antagonisim critisizing a character's ideals, so perhaps we shouldn't continue on with this discussion. You've repeated "bleeding heart liberals" a few times there, and I can read b/w the lines of your post.
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Post by jopierce on Oct 9, 2006 13:58:31 GMT -5
corporate lawyers and models usually don't hang out in our, um, I mean their circles... [/size][/quote] LOL! Hey, scenario, no mistakes. Just discussion. And I didn't mean to be antagonistic or offensive, nor care to bring up the politics of forum members, although I think I let my own slip (see above). As for bleeding heart liberals, I am most certainly a card carrying "Ralph" myself, and use the term BHL as the secret handshake. But as everyone here knows, Bill is my boy. LOL! Go figure!
I personally don't see it as a political discussion; I just thought it would be interesting to point out or examine Ralph's politics, since that may have been part of the reason the LGGs chose him. We know what Bill's are, and part of the reason the LGGs chose HIM! They chose from both sides of the spectrum, and I think it was smart of SJC to see that a hero (or a team of heros) can come from either side.
As for Pam, it's interesting since first she was handling Ralph's divorce, then she later turned into a corporate lawyer. If the series had lasted longer, she probably would have turned into an ACLU lawyer! LOL!
So, if as you say the writers changed how Ralph was, we can take all of this as the wonderfulness of GAH inconsistency. Gotta love it!!
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Post by MelMac on Oct 9, 2006 14:28:48 GMT -5
As far as Ralph and his beliefs, I never really felt the same about him digressing into a humanity persona to that degree. Part of the reason he got the suit was that he wanted to help people. Sure, some of it did get a little bit Save the Whales (well horses in the case of "Desparado"), but there was still a reason for it. This ep, they were stealing wild horses to sell for their meat.... not to use at a ranch, but to sell for dog meat. Rustling in any form is illegal and is a pretty severe punishment, not to mention wanting to kill a horse simply for revenge for your injuries.
Another big gripe is Ralph is apparently knocked unconscious for some time by a couple of blows to the gut. That makes him read wimp/hippy there, not himself. From the prior two seasons, we know he'd go take a couple of swings at least before he was captured or KO'd. Heck even him trying to take a swing at one, missing and getting pistolwhipped or punched out (glass jaw factor) would've made more sense than what was filmed.
In contrast to the above with "Desparado," Holly's Save the Whales bit in "GAHeroine" was sheer fluff and, at least what was filmed, really had no reason for it save just saving the whales. Not to mention the bumper sticker (though it's accurate), the fliers to a environmental group, nursing the bunny, the bunny mailbox... it got to be too much and she was too much of a goody-two shoes Mary Sue. Huge difference between the two IMHO.
I didn't like the digression of Ralph and Pam in the third season, but I think it's partially writing and partially filming. The one thing I like about the third season's eps being put in order of filming it helps me notice this. By "The Newlywed Game" to me it's getting obvious that they knew they were going to be canned soon and the characters aren't quite as strong as they had been the first two seasons. Pam's not her strong self (I like the ep, but "It's only Rock 'n' Roll," has Pam in a poor light) Ralph's getting a little too laid back, and Bill's played a little more for laughs. Had it at least had a full third season before being cancelled, I think the eps would've been among the best because they'd still give all their heart and soul in them.
Worst for me, the final ep shown on ABC was "Thirty Seconds," which ends with Ralph covering his eyes. "Desparado" or "Wizards and Warlocks" would've been a better ending of sorts. IMHO, "Vanity," and "R&R" were good to not show as a final on ABC.
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