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Post by jopierce on Dec 31, 2006 10:56:34 GMT -5
My ~ERASE O'NEIL FROM PUBLIC MEMORY MIND TRICK~ is finally working... A ha ha ha ha ha!!
You know, I don't know why the Green Guys haven't answered any of my e-mails!! I keep asking them to make everyone forget about her. ESPECIALLY Bill...
Maybe they're just testing it out on West Coast markets?
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Post by MelMac on Dec 31, 2006 22:12:31 GMT -5
Another thing I liked about the junkyard scene is Bill's hiding in the back of the wagon and telling Ralph what to do as far as that scene. Ralph using Pam as sort of a coat rack for his clothes is funny and probably the first thing I'd do if possible so I didn't lose/mess up my clothes, which the latter would help out when the cops arrive. Finally, after Ralph ignites the boxes behind him, I love the look he has. After the magnet drops and Ralph punches out the driver, him just saying "Gentlemen, step out of the car please," in the polite tone he has is not only funny but good composure. Afterall, they did kidnap Pam and she's his girlfriend.
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Post by jopierce on Oct 29, 2007 18:50:29 GMT -5
You know, despite the opening post of this thread... I never noticed that Bill was carrying the Anarchist's Cookbook until tonight...
probably a hold over from his Revolutionary Days in Latin America.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 29, 2007 18:56:30 GMT -5
I have noticed it every time. I am amazed Palmer Bradshaw let him carry it around.
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Post by jopierce on Oct 29, 2007 19:52:43 GMT -5
I have noticed it every time. I am amazed Palmer Bradshaw let him carry it around. I never noticed it.
I am always looking about 6 inches to the right...
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 29, 2007 21:29:53 GMT -5
I have noticed it every time. I am amazed Palmer Bradshaw let him carry it around. I never noticed it.
I am always looking about 6 inches to the right...His belly button?
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Post by believeitornot on Oct 30, 2007 7:52:17 GMT -5
I know Carlisle is mentioned in Best Desk Scenario, but I don't recall seeing him. Maybe the version I have has a cut scene? And circle gets the square! Carlisle is mentioned but not seen in "BDS". "Saturday on Sunset Boulevard" was William Bogert/Carlisle's only on-screen appearance in Season One. Carlisle is mentioned by Bradshaw as being gone and Bill thinks he's died, when Bradshaw just means he's on vacation. Bill probably just wishes he had died.
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Post by believeitornot on Oct 30, 2007 7:54:00 GMT -5
Count me in on the junkyard scene - I thought it was a nice touch for Ralph to really get pissed once he gets out of that trunk and MEGA throw that car across the yard. Good development in that episode. "You know what? For the first time in my life... I'm glad I have this suit." This scene was one that had really stuck in my memory from all those years ago.
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Post by prometheus74 on May 29, 2011 0:34:03 GMT -5
So up next is this one!
(By the way, why am I always the one introducing the thread for each episode? And why are there only three of us participating in this? Where's the man in charge----that is, the one who got the idea of doing this anniversary thing in the first place? Come out, Mr. HD, where ever you are! ;D
Anyway, this happens to be the last episode of the excellent first season. Another great one----with excellent writing, and some character development for all three main characters. Bill Maxwell feels washed up, and contemplates leaving the FBI after realizing that Pam and Ralph both have offices for their jobs, and he still has none of his own, after all his years of dedicated service.
A nice closer for this first season---arguably the best of all three seasons of TGAH.
Personally, I don't know if I agree with the first season being the strongest, though-----many of my favorite episodes are actually in the second and third seasons. Then again, the other two seasons were longer, so you could say that the first season is the best "per capita"------if you factor in the fact that it's so short, but has such a high ratio of great eps.
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Post by herald7 on May 29, 2011 19:09:04 GMT -5
Personally, I don't know if I agree with the first season being the strongest, though-----many of my favorite episodes are actually in the second and third seasons. Then again, the other two seasons were longer, so you could say that the first season is the best "per capita"------if you factor in the fact that it's so short, but has such a high ratio of great eps. I think this is the best first season episode for me. How it portrays getting older and how it affects your career and self esteem so realistically. It's like the divorce issue, GAH was very good at being honest about touchy subjects without resorting to typical TV cliches. That said, I did think the show's second season stories were a bit more tightly written and the chemistry between the three actors more fully developed. But anyway this episode also has some great lines. Though in some cases it's not just the lines themselves, but how the actors deliver them: Ralph: We are a first edition folio here about right and wrong. Bill: You're an egghead. I'm tired. I wanna go fishing! Ralph: Bill's having some kind of midlife crisis. Bill: I am not and we don't talk about that stuff in front of the counselor! Bill: Lookee here at this little closet they gave the kid. Ralph: This coming from Cubicle Bill the Sailor. Bill: You'd see who busts who! Ralph: Whom. Bill: Huh? Ralph: Who busts whom. Proper English! Pam: You sure? Ralph: Sort of...
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Post by prometheus74 on May 29, 2011 21:29:06 GMT -5
Yes, those are great quotes, Herald7. ;D Always a real hoot watching those characters interacting----Bill, Ralph, Pam, Tony, Rhonda, Carlisle, etc. This type of series-----where the emphasis is more focused on the interaction between the characters than it is on the actual storyline, is one of the trademarks of series creator Stephen J. Cannell. That kind of formula worked wonderfully well for this series, and also for another one of Cannell's "creations"-----The A-Team.
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Post by greenguy on May 31, 2011 14:49:14 GMT -5
Personally, I don't know if I agree with the first season being the strongest, though-----many of my favorite episodes are actually in the second and third seasons. Then again, the other two seasons were longer, so you could say that the first season is the best "per capita"------if you factor in the fact that it's so short, but has such a high ratio of great eps. I've always felt the first season was the "smart" season, little more character development, little more adult. Had the show been allowed to continue on the course of the first season I think we might have had a different outcome at the end with a longer broadcast run. Based on the first season I never would have guessed in a million years we would have seen Ralph play baseball or football wearing the suit. Don't get me wrong, I love the entire series but I don't think it ever became what it could have been, to it's audience or for it's creator.
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Post by herald7 on May 31, 2011 19:40:05 GMT -5
I've always felt the first season was the "smart" season, little more character development, little more adult. Had the show been allowed to continue on the course of the first season I think we might have had a different outcome at the end with a longer broadcast run. Based on the first season I never would have guessed in a million years we would have seen Ralph play baseball or football wearing the suit. I feel like GAH had a development similar to the original Star Trek series. In both cases, and as you pointed out greenguy, the first season had the more thoughtful episodes, bit of a gritty atmosphere. Then when the second season comes around everyone gets a little more comfortable and the episodes start to seem more streamlined and smooth, the plots a little more "fluffy," you might say, hehe. But they're still definitely high quality and not just "kid's stuff." Then the third season, you still have some good episodes, but you're now even further away from the thoughtfulness of the first season. Though I will say, none of the GAH third season episodes came close to being as bad as the really bad Star Trek third season episodes, lol.
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Post by prometheus74 on May 31, 2011 22:16:17 GMT -5
I don't think it ever became what it could have been, to it's audience or for it's creator. I totally agree. This is a series which had so much potential, but unfortunately the "novelty" of it wore off on TV audiences and it ended too soon----after a mere three seasons (two of which are short), and 43 episodes. I'm grateful with the episodes we do have (many series in TV history never managed to make it to three seasons), but I feel that a lot of good things were yet to come. I also agree with what you said that the first season was a bit more adult-oriented and smart than the other two.
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Post by MelMac on May 31, 2011 22:26:46 GMT -5
I think every episode in the first season of the show here was adult and excellent, but still had its fun kiddie moments - I still remembered the earlier scenes of Ralph flipping over the bushes in the pilot from when I was 2. The second season was also strong, and still had a lot of adult issues but some of the fun and odd things to deal with. I'm probably in the minority, but I mean if the suit is from outer space aliens, you would think there'd be the occasional alien threat. I just wish the few there were had been better realized if they were going to do a full monster. The only one of the three big alien threats - Beast, Electric Monster and Carrie, only the Beast in the Black was the most effective because you never got a full assessment of what he looked like. Third season had some nice more mature themes, and had a good test of the team's stregnth to stress ("Divorce, Venusian Style") as well as a few fun "what-if/cause and reaction to the suit" themes, such as "Live at Eleven." I liked that one because it was a time where Ralph could've gotten into trouble for abusing his powers. It's also the rare time I liked the effect caused because he abused it (the massive migraine). As far as "BDS," I loved how those who work hard get rewarded for the most part, but there's always those who don't agree with it or do their best to knock them down a few pegs even when they deserve that promotion. Many days I feel like Bill - working hard in my job and doing the best I can - taking on more assignments and the like to help the company, but don't get appreciated. Then there are days such as as yesterday where I end up like Ralph where I find out how much I'm appreciated by those who I help outside the office. And I love all the quotes that have been listed - especially the irony at times where Ralph corrects people on their grammar, but he has a tendency to say things such as "ain't" - and worse, not even as what the contraction is supposed to be for "I ain't (am not) doing something."
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Post by herald7 on Jun 1, 2011 6:45:40 GMT -5
I will say though, I never felt like the show jumped the shark or got really bad; it was always enjoyable from first to third season. Sometimes the longer a show runs, the more likely it is to jump the shark. So in a way, GAH was fortunate that they went out on a relative high note. No I agree with you! I mean, if you have a show that involves aliens, it stands to reason there would occasionally be...you know...other aliens! I don't know if I'm in the minority but I was jumping out of my seat for the whole "The Shock Will Kill You" episode, even when the monster wasn't on screen, purely from the anticipation of seeing it! Now that's pretty impressive! Lol I think it was partially the use of the music, and also just that electric shock is a real threat that we can identify with (the other day I finally had to throw away my old record player when the plug tried to kill me, lol). I think I mentioned this awhile back, but I liked how Ralph comes to the realization on his own that he was abusing the power (though with a little help from Pam calling him a jerk, lol). I mean when you think about it, how often do we really hold ourselves accountable and reconsider choices we've made, when we don't have to? Definitely reminds me of how William Katt said Ralph "always wrestles with himself to do the right thing."
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Post by greenguy on Jun 1, 2011 7:34:33 GMT -5
I've always felt the first season was the "smart" season, little more character development, little more adult. Had the show been allowed to continue on the course of the first season I think we might have had a different outcome at the end with a longer broadcast run. Based on the first season I never would have guessed in a million years we would have seen Ralph play baseball or football wearing the suit. I feel like GAH had a development similar to the original Star Trek series. In both cases, and as you pointed out greenguy, the first season had the more thoughtful episodes, bit of a gritty atmosphere. Then when the second season comes around everyone gets a little more comfortable and the episodes start to seem more streamlined and smooth, the plots a little more "fluffy," you might say, hehe. But they're still definitely high quality and not just "kid's stuff." Then the third season, you still have some good episodes, but you're now even further away from the thoughtfulness of the first season. Though I will say, none of the GAH third season episodes came close to being as bad as the really bad Star Trek third season episodes, lol. Using "fluffy" is excellent in describing what I feel was happening with the show. I agree it never went into the territory that Trek did in it's 3rd season. I wish more time had been spent on the characters, we found out a bit about Ralph and Bill, not much on Pam. The network by all accounts wanted monsters, missles, and World War III...I don't think insight on the shows characters were high on their list.
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Post by MelMac on Jun 1, 2011 15:09:19 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm in the minority but I was jumping out of my seat for the whole "The Shock Will Kill You" episode, even when the monster wasn't on screen, purely from the anticipation of seeing it! Now that's pretty impressive! Lol I think it was partially the use of the music, and also just that electric shock is a real threat that we can identify with (the other day I finally had to throw away my old record player when the plug tried to kill me, lol). I thought the scenes without the monster were the most effective because it left it to the mind, like the beast. When we see it looks like a Ruton from "Doctor Who" when Ralph flew it into the dam, it made me chuckle a bit, especially when the mouth could rotate 360 degrees it seemed during their fight. The thing I miss most though in the print is that we do not have the horn sound effect in the prints. It makes Ralph's "Shave and a hair cut" bit a little nonsensical. I can hear the sound - if barely, in a couple of other cases. All the more reason IMHO too that the whole scenario that lead to his supposed giving up the suit nonsensical. I do not think Ralph would become that power hungry in that span of time, nor would Bill ignore trying to help him to save his own hide at the FBI (which is implied in the full version of the "GAHeroine" script).
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Post by herald7 on Jun 1, 2011 22:15:54 GMT -5
We're lucky we EVER get character insight on television I think, hehe.
Yeah I was really confused when I first saw that scene. I didn't get it either, they managed to find songs to dub over the copyrighted ones, they couldn't manage to dub in a horn? lol
You're right, it was an intriguing idea that wasn't really followed through with, and hence came across like just a cheap, quick way to get rid of a character.
I mean you don't even really see him getting all that "power hungry." I mean you do see him having the stereotypical spoiled actor to opportunistic agent conversation, lol, but that's about it. And when the aliens announce he must give up the suit, he doesn't seem that upset about losing all the fame and looking for a replacement. So yeah the whole idea went nowhere.
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Post by greenguy on Jun 2, 2011 7:14:40 GMT -5
I don't think it ever became what it could have been, to it's audience or for it's creator. I totally agree. This is a series which had so much potential, but unfortunately the "novelty" of it wore off on TV audiences and it ended too soon----after a mere three seasons (two of which are short), and 43 episodes. I'm grateful with the episodes we do have (many series in TV history never managed to make it to three seasons), but I feel that a lot of good things were yet to come. I also agree with what you said that the first season was a bit more adult-oriented and smart than the other two. Yes, it's too bad the series didn't have a full 3rd season, at least we would have came away with 9 more episodes than we have now. However given the roadblocks that hindered the show, I'm glad we have the amount of episodes that were produced.
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