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Post by billswoman on Aug 21, 2005 22:12:36 GMT -5
I just watched this, again for the umpteenth time -- it's a goodie -- and I finally managed to read what Bill's carrying into Bradshaw's office.
Did you see the book title? He's got "The Anarchist's Cookbook" in his hand!
I made an avatar/icon of it, I couldn't resist!
I believe I gave this ep a 4 out of 5; got a LOT of good bits in it.
I like Pam ducking as she sees Ralph about to crash into the car; she's learned his ways, lol! And when he turns to her, like he doesn't know her, and asks, Are you all right, lady? And she says, Yes, sir!
Ralph: So I don't have to break any arms or legs?
LOL, that was funny...what a show off! The look Pam gives him is great too.
I also love when Ralph's holographing in the office, telling Pam and Bill what he's seeing (he's seeing THEM, of course) and if I remember right, Pam asks Bill, "What'd he say?"
Ralph: I see an office, a plush office, and a file with a beautiful girl holding it...
And Pam hands him said file. That's so funny! Ralph's like, Right, you two are making fun of me!
Great interaction, again, between the three leads. I like how Ralph tells Bill, I need you, I can't do this alone! And Pam comes in and says the exact same thing. The ending is cute too, when the three are bickering in Ralph's little office that he'd just earned.
(Sorry such a disorganized post, I'm thinking of the scenes I like as I type.)
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Post by MiltonMaxwell on Aug 22, 2005 8:19:14 GMT -5
Don't forget the scenes with the future Chief Carlilse. Those were great, but I still can't figure out how he not only got to be boss but apparently forgot all about Ralph by the time he sees him again in Captain Bellybuster!
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Post by billswoman on Aug 22, 2005 10:36:28 GMT -5
Don't forget the scenes with the future Chief Carlilse. Those were great, but I still can't figure out how he not only got to be boss but apparently forgot all about Ralph by the time he sees him again in Captain Bellybuster! I know Carlisle is mentioned in Best Desk Scenario, but I don't recall seeing him. Maybe the version I have has a cut scene?
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Post by The J-Man on Aug 22, 2005 16:22:31 GMT -5
...but I still can't figure out how he not only got to be boss but apparently forgot all about Ralph by the time he sees him again in Captain Bellybuster! Carlisle doesn't even recognize Ralph and Pam in "Just Another Three Ring Circus" even though he had very recently spent four weeks in quaranteen with them at the end of "Plague".
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Post by The J-Man on Aug 22, 2005 16:27:29 GMT -5
I know Carlisle is mentioned in Best Desk Scenario, but I don't recall seeing him. Maybe the version I have has a cut scene? And circle gets the square! Carlisle is mentioned but not seen in "BDS". "Saturday on Sunset Boulevard" was William Bogert/Carlisle's only on-screen appearance in Season One.
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Post by billswoman on Aug 22, 2005 17:55:33 GMT -5
Don't forget the scenes with the future Chief Carlilse. Those were great, but I still can't figure out how he not only got to be boss but apparently forgot all about Ralph by the time he sees him again in Captain Bellybuster! Speaking of the guy in the red suit... and I know in at least a few eps Bill suggests to the bad guys that they not mention the dude in the suit or they'll be in a rubber room... did anyone at the FBI, by the third season maybe, ever notice mention of a guy in a red suit fairly often connected to Agent Maxwell? Maybe it's Bill's good luck that the FBI can't do multiple word searches, huh? At least they couldn't (or so they allege) prior to September 11th. Might not have occured to them to check "William Maxwell" and "red suit" or jammies or longjohns, whichever.
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Post by billswoman on Aug 24, 2005 22:26:11 GMT -5
There's one thing about this ep that I've seen someone cite in regards to Bill's background. When they're in the dude's plush office, and Pam says the guy was from a family of sharecroppers, Bill mumbles, "My family were sharecroppers!" This person, and I don't remember where I read it, thought Bill was saying HIS family were sharecroppers, like the rich lawyer's. I don't think they understood Bill was mocking the guy in a weird way. He wasn't saying his own family were sharecroppers, after all.
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Post by culpkatt on Aug 24, 2005 22:54:48 GMT -5
I noticed the same thing. You must have read that from the episode guide on this website. The trivia for the 'Best Desk' episode mentions that we learn from Bill that his parents were sharecroppers. It was pretty clear that Bill was mocking Pam's "supershyster" boss. This is one of the funniest scenes from the first season.
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Post by MelMac on Aug 24, 2005 23:00:31 GMT -5
This episode is one of my favorites from season one, right behind "My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys." I like a lot of the humor in this story, especially Ralph's crash through the back car window and later on with the office scene. I liked Ralph's reaction when he describes his holograph which was in the office and Pam hands him the file. He just looks at it and says "I want to go home." He thinks that they are making fun of him.
Another scene I thought was funny was when Ralph was learning pyrokinesis. Ralph seems to only be able set fire to things that are behind him. I also liked the scene when the car drops on top of Ralph. He opens up the trunk lid and gives this look like "You got to be kidding me," then picks it up and throws it. There so many fun scenes in this story, and overall the episode brought a strong end to the first season.
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Post by culpkatt on Aug 24, 2005 23:08:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I think it was this episode where Culp's character really starts to take off and become the Bill Maxwell we all grew to love. The opening scene sets up the entire episode perfectly. I love it when Bill sees that Ralph has accidently set his car on fire and says something to the effect of, "do something...put it out!" That was great.
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Post by MiltonMaxwell on Aug 25, 2005 8:48:49 GMT -5
Yea, on the car thing. I that episode officially started the "count" on the running gag of destroyed cars in the series.
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Aug 25, 2005 9:25:00 GMT -5
Count me in on the junkyard scene - I thought it was a nice touch for Ralph to really get pissed once he gets out of that trunk and MEGA throw that car across the yard. Good development in that episode. "You know what? For the first time in my life... I'm glad I have this suit."
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 6, 2006 20:10:04 GMT -5
Yea, on the car thing. I that episode officially started the "count" on the running gag of destroyed cars in the series. To me, FIRE MAN should start the official car count as Bill's car flipped while chasing the arsonist. Although, maybe the bureau covered it as a legitimate crash that time.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 6, 2006 21:14:59 GMT -5
I have been reviewing the episode and it is great overall...from opening moment to closing interaction...and NOT just because it is more Pam centric. What does everyone else think about it? Before I ramble on at length.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 9, 2006 22:31:10 GMT -5
I do like how someone else used the idea of a scenario instead of Bill. Do you think Bill learned it from this person and put it as part of his lexicon? I do that some if I like a word or phrase. Maybe Bill did too.
It was right after Bill met Palmer Bradshaw...another worker came in bemoaning the fact that this kid would get the best spot in the bureau because of the "best desk scenario." It made me think that maybe Bill was influenced by more people than his former partner, Harlan.
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Post by billswoman on Dec 31, 2006 9:07:45 GMT -5
Why is this stellar supervisor, Palmer Bradshaw, such a jerk to Bill? Bill's developing the case, yet Bradshaw keeps jumping his you-know-what. And why is Bradshaw called in for every little thing Bill's working on? Does he like to micro-manage that much? Can't he trust these older, more-seasoned agents to handle cases till something truly difficult comes along?
Maybe in the long run, it's just as well Carlisle becomes Bill's boss. As much as they rub one another the wrong way, Carlisle seems to know to leave Bill alone, and let him work the case (that he almost always manages to close successfully, with that 98.7 kill rate). Carlisle knows Bill's a hot dog, following his own rules, yet he lets him continue on, because he knows, in the end, Bill's the best agent on his team.
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Post by jopierce on Dec 31, 2006 10:07:28 GMT -5
Well, remember, I don't think that anyone said Palmer Bradshaw was a stellar supervisor. In fact, I think that most people resented the fact that this was an appointment made because Daddy had connections. I mean, usually people don't like or respect those who get to the top because their daddies helped them, right?
Now, as to why he kept on Bill's butt? Wouldn't you... um... sorry. I misunderstood...
No, really, I think that he was probably worried about people seeing him as not deserving of the job (for the reasons above) and therefore was extra careful about making sure he had his hand in everything that went on. Actually, I have noticed that it is actually true of supervisors who are really incompetent - to want to know what everyone is doing at all times. It's a way of protecting your own tenuous position as boss.
As for Carlisle? I actually like Carlisle. Not like I like Bill or Cyler... But I think he's a great character. I mean, to be honest, he should be riding Bill's case. Bill's activities and kill record ARE suspicious! You don't bust cases like he does without raising eyebrows. You don't get excused from polygraph tests and not have the boss wonder why and how. In fact, it would have been weird to NOT have Bill's boss be suspicious. (Like anything in GAH was "normal"!! LOL!)
Plus, the banter was classic stuff.
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Post by billswoman on Dec 31, 2006 10:22:20 GMT -5
Oh, I like Carlisle too. I think he's a good foil for Bill. I even agree with him sometimes, esp about being suspicious about what Bill's really up to (although why Carlisle never remembers this guy with blond curly hair in a red suit, I dunno....)
In at least one scene, I think Carlisle's completely justified about something... from "Live at Eleven," when he finds this non-regulation walkie talkie in Bill's pocket. Looked at from Carlisle's POV, that's very suspicious; the guy at the other end could be ANYBODY, including a commie spy (granted, Bill would never DO that, but still...)
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Post by jopierce on Dec 31, 2006 10:38:32 GMT -5
Looked at from Carlisle's POV, that's very suspicious; the guy at the other end could be ANYBODY, including a commie spy (granted, Bill would never DO that, but still...)
Oh, yes he would!!! Oh, yes he would!!!
Are you kidding me??
It's very likely to have Bill chatting on the other end of that walkie talkie with a commie spy... I mean, he gave one his gun.... then bailed her out of jail... I mean, he even had a commie spy up in his place for a nightcap...
So yes he would!!! Grrrr....
Actually, all kidding aside, I am sometimes surprised that Bill could keep his job at all, especially after Lilacs. But then again, throughout, he's lucky he has a pension...
I mean, look at this track record:
- Lost his partner out in desert (uh, Bill, that's not like losing your keys)
- Fails polygraph test
- Pulls strings to get out of all future polygraph tests
- Trashes Govt Vehicles with wild abandon
- Disobeys rules (Including dress code. That patchwork jacket alone should have been grounds for dismissal)
- Routinely goes over supervisor's head for island vacations
- Moonlights as sports agent
- Moonlights as sh*t shoveller at circus
- Involved in numerous unofficial antics in third world countries, including those the size of a dime.
- Known associates and confidants: Russian spies, rock stars, high school kids with records, hippies, liberals and cops gone bad
Ok. Ok. That wasn't all kidding aside. And I guess having "Saved the world from nuclear annihilation" in your file cancels out shovelling sh*t.
But those hippies. He's gotta stay away from those hippies... [/size]
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Post by billswoman on Dec 31, 2006 10:45:51 GMT -5
I am aghast, that I forgot about O'Neil.
Well, as I've said before, if it was anyone but RC writing Bill doing that, I would've cried FOUL! for him being so OOC. I guess I'm still crying foul any way, since I didn't make the connection of commie spy associates.
You bring up good points. You're obviously more conscious this morning than I.
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