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Post by mmderdekea on Jul 4, 2008 23:41:29 GMT -5
Folks,
Let's give them a little more time. It doesn't help any of us to get too blown out of joint with them being late, and most of us have experienced being late to finish something, or get done what we were supposed to. I suppose if it takes another month, I'll still be there to watch the webisode when it comes out. I don't want to judge them so much as just watch an webisode and see if I like it.
Mona
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Post by Videofox on Jul 4, 2008 23:48:29 GMT -5
Yeah, just poking a little fun there. I work in video production myself and know how it is. Deadlines can be good if you work well under pressure...other times they just suck.
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Post by extreme01 on Jul 5, 2008 0:31:32 GMT -5
I agree that it's time for some sort of statement by collazo, if not at least by someone in the tgah 2008 camp. The countdown to "impact" has been on that website for the better part of a year and has now been run out for over 24 hours. Why put a trailer out there if they are not going to make good on the promise of an episode? This looks unprofessional and I've voiced my opinion on the tgah 2008 website's message board as well as youtube under the trailer comments. We deserve an explanation at this point. On a few of the links to see this....first webisode..the only thing up is the trailer still,and it looks like it was posted 3 weeks ago. I was also on the facebook group for it..and after noticing that TGAH Hq was online..I decided to have a chat with whoever was there..and nothing. no answer. I really hope there's something actually happening to prevent this..but..they've had all this time..and nothing yet..you know boys and girls..I'm getting a sense of deja vu with this "project"
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Post by Lauren on Jul 5, 2008 0:54:58 GMT -5
For clarification, I never said that just because they're "late" doesn't mean I won't watch this first webisode. I understand about any sort of delays... the thing is, they HAVE had plenty of time to get it done on time. My main "problem" is that if there is indeed a delay, someone should say so. How long does it take to put a little text line on a website? Three seconds?
I've had high hopes for this project all along, even with the fact that it's been tainted with a soap opera feel because of some people who've claimed to be part of the project. I WANT this series to do well. I think it'd be awesome.
It's just the principle of the matter: If you use a countdown clock, make it countdown to when what ever is going to appear. Don't just pick a time out of thin air... then don't deliver without as much as a word. And, I'd like to be proven wrong. I want that webisode posted before midnight on the west coast.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 5, 2008 1:45:47 GMT -5
Folks, Let's give them a little more time. It doesn't help any of us to get too blown out of joint with them being late, and most of us have experienced being late to finish something, or get done what we were supposed to. I suppose if it takes another month, I'll still be there to watch the webisode when it comes out. I don't want to judge them so much as just watch an webisode and see if I like it. Mona Fair enough, but I agree with Videofox, people can have a little fun/address their issues about it here. This group has also in the past year promised us a trailer in November (for sure late 2007), a regular newsletter and a daily blog when production started - none came to full fruition. Meaning, this isn't the first time the group's been late on something they promised, so it's fair to have the quibbles. Plus, they DID say it'd be up July 4, and made a big shindig about it for months (i.e. the T-shirt designs had "Impact - 07.04.08" on the back). One of the actors even mentions the date was when the show was to air for sure in a recent blog on his MySpace. As long as it doesn't turn into a full flame fest (as the rule MyTatuo made about respecting Collazo is still full in effect), I'm not going to lock this thread and it's open for all opinions/comments.
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Post by Lauren on Jul 5, 2008 1:54:36 GMT -5
Well, paint me green & call me Gumby! Look at what JUST popped up! And with about ten minutes to spare... on the west coast! www.youtube.com/TGAH2008
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Post by Videofox on Jul 5, 2008 2:02:24 GMT -5
yayyyy!
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Post by Lauren on Jul 5, 2008 2:05:34 GMT -5
It's a pretty good start, too. Of the clip, 5 1/2 minutes are the actual show. There's some rehash of "Heroine" at the beginning & the credits at the end (don't like that song used at the end, but that's just me). Question, when Morgan & Sarah are talking at the grave... was there supposed to be a shadow over Sarah? Had to squint to see her. I'll be looking for the iTunes version for the better quality.
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Post by Ms Boku on Jul 5, 2008 4:47:43 GMT -5
well, it was short. Johnny D...Hmm, I wonder who that could be?
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Post by collazo on Jul 5, 2008 9:40:18 GMT -5
Hey Gang,
I would like to apologize for the Webisode being late. We encountered technical difficulties on this end. Episode 1 is about 6.5 GB fully rendered and we were told to chop it up at the last minute. So we needed to rethink the Webisode structure on the fly and find perfect end points for each chapter.
Nonetheless, we are proud to give you a GAH Webisode and hope everyone likes it, it took a lot of people to come together to make this happen for all of you and hope as the Chapters are released and the Comic Book that you guys enjoy the story.
"Collazo"
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Post by collazo on Jul 5, 2008 9:43:15 GMT -5
It's a pretty good start, too. Of the clip, 5 1/2 minutes are the actual show. There's some rehash of "Heroine" at the beginning & the credits at the end (don't like that song used at the end, but that's just me). Question, when Morgan & Sarah are talking at the grave... was there supposed to be a shadow over Sarah? Had to squint to see her. I'll be looking for the iTunes version for the better quality. There is a slight shadow in the shot but for some reason when these sights run the video through their encoders it makes it look like a blob. Too much compression I think. "Collazo"
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Post by collazo on Jul 5, 2008 9:50:53 GMT -5
So far the best quality version of the Chapter 1 "New Beginnings..." seems to be on Blip.TV tgah.blip.tv/#1058189Hope you like it! "Collazo"
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Post by mmderdekea on Jul 5, 2008 11:11:15 GMT -5
Hello, all, Okay, here is a critique--since there is nothing to "spoil" about this webisode, anyone can read it. Okay, I just watched this webisode. I guess I was thinking they'd be at least 30 minutes each, although I have no idea why. But this one clocked in at 6:14 on UTube for show time and then the rest of the 7:50 minutes was credits. I would have eagerly watched more if there was more to watch. Do we know how often these webisodes will come out? It starts off with TGAHeroine's Holly explaining to Sarah about the suit and the secrecy. Knowing that Bill was in the hallway listening in but I didn't get to see him was hard! The scene at the grave, though short, is good--right away we get a very interesting glimpse at the differences between the two "step-sisters", and we learn that Morgan was not adopted as Sarah was. Lots of nifty character insights even with some stilted dialogue. The change of Sarah from childhood to adult was interesting--but given the precociousness of Sarah, and her somewhat obnoxious tendencies (remember her scene with Bill?), one can believe she wound up as she did. In the florist shop, a bit of sheer idiocy with the exterminator, and then we meet the guy with the ubiquitous NYC accent indicating a mob connection. However, the plot moved forward fairly evenly. We see Morgan's cluelessness and realize she has no idea about the suit, and my interest was piqued as apparently Sarah doesn't care who gets the suit--Goodwill or otherwise--and never told Morgan about mom's alien jammies. Why? The no doubt upcoming back story answers definitely enhances my curiosity. My only critique is that Morgan is not a very good actress, and her lines are delivered stiffly and without a natural flow. Perhaps she'll evolve, though, into a better actress as the webisodes progress. Otherwise, that will be a detriment to complete enjoyment, and will maintain a certain amateur status of the webisodes, which some lighting difficulties and lack of in-depth cinematography already somewhat elicit. However, I really did enjoy those 6 minutes and I'm looking forward to the next installment! Now, if they just get Bill in there, somehow.... Mona
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Post by jopierce on Jul 5, 2008 13:23:37 GMT -5
I know I have been silent about this for a while, but now that it is out, I will jump in again.
Congratulations to everyone involved in this! I am sure it is very exciting to see so your efforts rewarded.
Thanks Mona, you said a lot of what I wanted to say. I agree with you on the acting, production quality, and those other details.
On the other hand, in some ways having a do it at home video feel was one of the better parts, since it helped maintain a bit of the original cheese that was so much fun about the original show. I was worried that it would wind up being - like the new Battlestar Gallactica - shiny and contemporary to the point where it was unrecognizable. Now that we know what to expect...
I was a bit put off by that whole "getting dressed in the morning" scene. Purpose for the plot? None. Purpose for character development? Minimal, unless you want to portray Morgan as just some silly young thing. That's just my opinion. Watch it and judge for yourself.
All in all, this was a good fan film. The trailer, ironically, was of much higher quality than the actual webisode. But that's ok.
For a fan film, however, there was none of the appeal that other equivalent productions often deliver. (I am thinking, for example, of the Chad Vader series, which is of the same type of production quality, and which seemed much catchier, right off the bat.) I was a bit surprised, actually, at how much of a fan film feel it had, considering the hype. But as I said above, that does not detract from its appeal or potential.
Again, congratulations!
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Post by mredwrdo3 on Jul 5, 2008 16:50:01 GMT -5
Maybe I was a bit hasty to say things about the webisode being late. Technically, it still came out July 4th, just on the West Coast. That said, the webisode was okay. I liked the old theme being on the radio in the background. The episode was too short though. I'm also looking forward of how to get hold of the comic book, if there is a published version.
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Post by extreme01 on Jul 5, 2008 18:50:08 GMT -5
okay. just finished watching it..and a few things leapt to mind..
1) after the opening review from "Heroine", there should've been a.."twenty years later" or something in between that and the first scene in the cemetary.
2) the delivery of the lines needs a bit of improving. don't need it to feel "amateurish". sorry, that's how it looks
3) some points about the suit and "Johnny D". first off, after Holly's murder..wouldn't the suit disintegrate after a few days?? or maybe it teleported back to the ship somehow. so after all of this, it wouldn't be around,and Morgan would need her own. or did she pass it off per the Greenguys okay like Raplh did to Holly?? And wasn't (if it is him..) "Johnny D" in prison?? wouldn't he be at least 60 by now?? wasn't he serving a lengthy sentance after Bill and Ralph got him?? maybe in a nuthouse from his "delusions" of a super-dude??
I hope they really did their homework on this one boys and girls,and I hope they do some of the back story as well to catch us up on things to fill in the gaps that would explain how we got to what we're seeing now.
I'll be watching in anticipation
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Post by Ms Boku on Jul 5, 2008 19:20:55 GMT -5
okay. just finished watching it..and a few things leapt to mind.. 1) after the opening review from "Heroine", there should've been a.."twenty years later" or something in between that and the first scene in the cemetary. 2) the delivery of the lines needs a bit of improving. don't need it to feel "amateurish". sorry, that's how it looks 3) some points about the suit and "Johnny D". first off, after Holly's murder..wouldn't the suit disintegrate after a few days?? or maybe it teleported back to the ship somehow. so after all of this, it wouldn't be around,and Morgan would need her own. or did she pass it off per the Greenguys okay like Raplh did to Holly?? And wasn't (if it is him..) "Johnny D" in prison?? wouldn't he be at least 60 by now?? wasn't he serving a lengthy sentance after Bill and Ralph got him?? maybe in a nuthouse from his "delusions" of a super-dude?? I hope they really did their homework on this one boys and girls,and I hope they do some of the back story as well to catch us up on things to fill in the gaps that would explain how we got to what we're seeing now. I'll be watching in anticipation 1) I agree 2)I agree again 3)3 that thought also popped in my head but I thought he might be like 80 I also hope that the eps are going to be more than 5 minutes long. 10 would be ok I guess, and if they would at least post a schedule. But I with those points pointed out it seems interesting but too soon to give an over all review. can only give a point out this and that.
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Post by Team Blue on Jul 5, 2008 21:14:58 GMT -5
I was a bit put off by that whole "getting dressed in the morning" scene. Purpose for the plot? None. Purpose for character development? Minimal, unless you want to portray Morgan as just some silly young thing. That's just my opinion. Watch it and judge for yourself.
All in all, this was a good fan film. The trailer, ironically, was of much higher quality than the actual webisode. But that's ok.
I know squat about the details of this project (who, what, how and why) but I first must commend whoever's doing it and along with Jo congralute those who are involved on seeing this thing start to come to pass. I also know squat about "The Greatest American Heroine" as I haven't watched it yet so as Charlie Chan used to say "Please excuse!" LOL Anyway, just some commentary: The actin' ...eh... well I probably couldn't do any better so I'm not gonna say much. I like the concept and the opening of the story in this segment. Those two sisters do not get along I take it? LOL I think the "getting dressed in the morning" scene would have been a good place to put opening credits, instead of at the end of the webisode (in which that time could have been used for some more of the story). I liked the tail end of the theme song on the radio. Also one of the sisters (I dunno who's who so "please excuse!") on her phone there at the cemetery mentions meeting someone at the "Wing and a Prayer Cafe" On the question of Johnny D being Johnny the Dancer...we'll just have to wait and see I guess. I figure he'd be about 75ish now (if still living) and was probably sentenced to at least 25 years for tryin' to kill Bill. We don't know what else he may have been charged and/or convicted of back in the day that could have tacked more time on to any sentence. Also I don't think Johnny babbled about the "soopah" suit, as he had agreed to Bill's advice at the end of the Hit Car. But....after 20 years who knows what he might have started talkin' about in the exercise yard at the Federal Pen... Anyway, it'd be a hoot if the wiseguy who did all the talking turned out to be Sonny D... (BAHAHHAHA! I kill me. Sonny D. SunnyD....eh, yeah, okay maybe that wasn't that funny....) And what about the young man who comes into the flower shop right at the end of the segment and says to (I'm gonna call 'em Sonny for now) "shaking down flower shops now?" He's either a fellow mafioso....or he's our modern day answer to Bill Maxwell. Anyone wanna take bets? All in all, I did like this webisode and will be curious to see future installments!
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Post by readmcg on Jul 5, 2008 22:17:23 GMT -5
A note about the episode length, since there've been a few comments about that: Keep in mind that Collazo said that the episode was late because he was "told to chop [the episode] up at the last minute" and "needed to rethink the Webisode structure on the fly and find perfect end points for each chapter." I'm pretty sure what this means is that the episode was intended to be the length of a standard TV show episode (around 22 minutes), but at that length was too long to post on the sites he'd intended to post it on, so he had to cut each episode into smaller parts. What we're seeing is only the first quarter or third or so of the original first episode. (This would also explain why the credits at the end include a character who didn't appear in the "episode"--I'm guessing those were originally the credits for the entire first episode, not just the first bit we're seeing now.) Please don't take this as Official Word from the production; I was not involved in the postproduction process, and I was as much in the dark as you all were about the reasons for the episode's lateness until Collazo posted here. I'm just going by what Collazo said (well, and what I know about the lengths of the episodes), and trying to explain what I think was meant here. So--in brief, if I'm interpreting everything correctly, yes, the episodes were going to be about a half hour long (actually about 22 minutes, like a regular TV series episode sans commercials), but they've been chopped up into shorter pieces to accommodate the strictures of the video display sites. It could be that, because the episodes are being posted in shorter pieces than originally intended, there will also be a new "episode" posted more often than originally planned--maybe several times a week. But, again, that's not in any way official word from the production or inside information; that's just my guess. Don't take anything I say here as definite until it's verified by Collazo.
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Post by MST3Claye on Jul 5, 2008 22:36:56 GMT -5
I'm going to wait till I've seen the whole episode to really comment on it. I would however like to mention a possible reason for the short videos. Youtube I think has a limit of how long videos can be. I think the longest is 9 - 10 minutes? Not sure, but I'm wondering if that's one of the reasons the episode was cut down to what it was.
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