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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 30, 2005 11:59:09 GMT -5
Why is Bill worried about losing his pension and such? Carlisle said that he saw Ralph and was put in the nuthouse...and then came back to be Bill's boss. I think Bill didn't want any bad marks on his record, but I think he went overboard when you compare his slow success rate to Carlisle's sudden jump. Another thing that confuses me in this episode is when Bill fails the lie test. The tester says that he can't be Bill's friend if he doesn't pass. Does this mean that when Bill is cleared by the Bureau Chief that the guy stays mad at him and they are no longer friends? If that is what happened, that is sad. Maybe that is why Bill was always over at Ralph's hanging with Ralph and Pam. Not that this goes here, but who is Tommy? Bill is always calling "Tommy" for back-up or research questions, etc. Are he and Bill friends or is he some flunkie? You think it might have been fun to have Bill and other agents work together at times to make it more difficult for Ralph to enter and help out. Oh how hindsight is 20/20.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 5, 2006 11:28:03 GMT -5
I have to say that when I watched this again, that I was surprised that the FBI did not know that Sergey had a brother in the country. You would think they would keep tabs on some people, especially if his brother is wanted by the two major superpowers in the world.
Another thing I am confused about: When Bill wants Ralph to holograph in on the couple, Ralph says he needs something of theirs to do it. Yet, when Bill wants him to holograph on the car the Russians drive to the meet, he is able to just tune into the trunk of the car and find the bady guy hiding. I know it helps move the story along, but it could have been done a little better you would think.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 5, 2006 12:01:30 GMT -5
I agree with you on the trunk bit, it's a little too conveniant. He is able to get holographs of people in trouble without anything, but still, it did seem a little odd. (Maybe he thought it could be chalked off as the suit still trying to adapt to Ralph). Then again, the holographs bit is pretty confusing on how they work regardless. Good example, "200 MPH fastball," he's able to get the holograph of her being kidnapped, but moments later, can't get a holograph because she's unconscious. While that's an interesting concept, what I thought was funny was that he sees her pass out with the guy holding a drugged handkerchief over her face (and get picked up), but then says to Bill when he arrives "Bill I'm not getting anything, she must be unconscious." How was he able to get the holograph of the actual kidnapping but not afterward. Probably would've worked best if he saw her struggling to get away from them instead. One thing I like about "Saturday on Sunset Boulevard" is how the kids get involved in it. True, they're not much help, but it's funny to have them taunt Bill as he needs their help finding Sergie. I also like how Pam gets to help kick the bad guy's butt by pushing the garbage dumpster. Probably one of the funniest bits is Pam's first flight with Ralph. The argument with Ralph is funny. As much as I like Ralph, I'd probably have slapped him for tricking me to let go of something quite a few feet up above the ocean to fly with him. And the bit where Tony tries to steal the bottle of Vodka and Ralph abruptly coming back into the room is still one of my favorite moments. It's funny because Ralph's so deadpan about it.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 5, 2006 12:05:13 GMT -5
I like that Pam had a more active role, including her little one-on-one with Rhonda. However, what was Ralph supposed to do? Leave her on the chopper? Pilot it himself? She had to know better...he even managed to land and THEN drop her, rather than land on her. As for Tony and everyone taunting Maxwell, it was fine, except for the start where Tony is talking about Bill waving his gun in his face. As Bill AND Tony should both recall, Tony DID pull a knife and the gun was all Bill had to keep Tony from being a punk. I don't think that was explained well at all, nor remembered. It gave Tony a leg up on something that was HIS fault to begin with.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 5, 2006 14:47:22 GMT -5
I've always seen that as an even draw in regards to the weapon bit. I didn't expect Ralph to pilot the chopper, as he didn't knock out the pilot. The fellow he pushed was hte guy holding Pam hostage. And no, no one in their right mind would leave their girlfriend on a chopper full of bad guys. That's why I love spoofing that Ralph left Pam on a bouy, top of a bridge, in screencaps.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 12, 2006 8:09:15 GMT -5
Also, how did Ralph and Bill find Teresa AFTER Pam was kidnapped. If you watch, she ran away while Ralph was busy fighting bad guys and while Pam was trying to run. She turned a corner and ran off while Ralph stood there with his hands up and watched the car drive away. Did she come back? Did Ralph holograph on her hiding spot and find her? This is not explained at all and I am curious as to what others think...another great missing scene for you to write MelMac...I am GOOD.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 12, 2006 10:51:45 GMT -5
Also, how did Ralph and Bill find Teresa AFTER Pam was kidnapped. If you watch, she ran away while Ralph was busy fighting bad guys and while Pam was trying to run. She turned a corner and ran off while Ralph stood there with his hands up and watched the car drive away. Did she come back? Did Ralph holograph on her hiding spot and find her? This is not explained at all and I am curious as to what others think...another great missing scene for you to write MelMac...I am GOOD. Yeah, I'm guessing that he got a holograph of her and went to get her. I doubt that she'd be afraid to go with anyone with a gun after Sergie was kidnapped too. One thing I noticed was that she didn't look at Ralph a lot afterward, so I wonder if they had to basically bring her back kicking and screaming or some other way. And yes, I'll admit (these are pretty rare too you know), you found a great missing scene here. I've had trouble finding one for this one, so this helps out. It'll probably be the first missing scene one I write up when I restart them. That'll be after this Aidan one I'm currently working on with the Muppets. (and yes ... I know what I'm writing about. Could've done "Doctor Who" you know. )
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Post by jopierce on Jul 21, 2006 8:32:35 GMT -5
As far as the holograph comments, it always seemed to be a bit inconsistent.
I just rewatched the pilot last night, and if you remember, his first holographs while in the psych ward were of Bill. He had nothing of Bill's on him, so it was a spontaneous, even surprising vibe.
Then when Pam comes in, he touches her (or did she touch him? I can't remember) and there is no shared vibes, which we learn can happen later.
Maybe this is something that should be explored more. Maybe the suit itself is still experimental. (The new model, after Beck's model was recalled...) Maybe we all assume the suit is perfect, and we assume that Ralph's not having the instruction book is the only problem. But maybe...
Maybe there is a little kink or two in the suit itself? Maybe it needs a tune up every once in a while? Maybe that's why Ralph can't fly straight?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 21, 2006 10:58:47 GMT -5
You and MelMac should team up and write THE MISSING SCENES OF THE GREATEST AMERICAN HERO.
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Post by jopierce on Jul 21, 2006 11:04:36 GMT -5
You and MelMac should team up and write THE MISSING SCENES OF THE GREATEST AMERICAN HERO. If we did, it would be a really weird mix. Noir and Fish. Or Juggle Noir. Or they would be adult eyes only. Either way, the universe might implode after that pairing...
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Post by MelMac on Jul 21, 2006 11:04:53 GMT -5
Nope, I'm working on finishing up a crossover and time travel story (not to mention a certain Pam game thread. I think the one here is in a coma... again. ) Saturday also was fun to me because of the jokes to Superman (take that DC comics. It isn't easy to change in a phonebooth. ) I also like how Pam pushes the garbage dumpster into the car's way. Cyler telling off Bill about where he was located (gotta be nice Bill sometimes to get what you want ) and the bit with the hubcaps at the end was funny. Ralph's "no" said it best.
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Post by jopierce on Jul 21, 2006 11:06:26 GMT -5
Saturday also was fun to me ... Maybe I am missing something...
Is there a chat here for this board? Did I miss it?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 21, 2006 11:10:27 GMT -5
No, she is referencing the episode.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 21, 2006 11:55:41 GMT -5
Yep... though for me, Saturdays are fun. I'm working at Six Flags now, and I am having fun there too, in a good way. (Though the outfit... well, I laugh at it and have fun, though I'm juggling in a dress, other 27 year olds won't wear it, trust me. ) I've really gotta stay consistent in regard to how I signify I'm writing episode titles. Same goes with fanfictions...
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Post by jopierce on Mar 17, 2007 10:03:57 GMT -5
Why does Bill have a hotel room in this episode?
...Or perhaps a better question:
Why is he using a different hotel that the one than I usually meet him at?
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Post by mmderdekea on Mar 17, 2007 10:22:27 GMT -5
I really enjoy "Saturday Night", except for one incredibly weak plot point that even I have to wince at.
Apparently, there are 60 or so CIA/government agents out looking for Sergei and TONY VILLACANA finds Sergei's brother in the PHONE BOOK, where Sergei has been hiding out? If none of the government agents thought to look up his relatives in the phone book, and spy on them, then we should label them Cretins In Action, although it did benefit Maxwell that his agent colleagues are so incredibly stupid. Yes, our usually finely cunning and clue master Maxwell himself hadn't thought of that possibility, either, I know, I know. That's simply because he hadn't heard from me for a few days and so couldn't keep his mind fully on the case.
Mona
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Post by helane4bill on Mar 17, 2007 12:53:06 GMT -5
Why does Bill have a hotel room in this episode?
...Or perhaps a better question:
Why is he using a different hotel that the one than I usually meet him at? Cause this is the hotel that I meet him at. You know the song in the beginning of this episode that proclaims, "Once upon a time two worlds collided, two different kinds of people fell in love".............that song was written for Bill and me, BTW.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 18, 2007 20:58:07 GMT -5
He probably realised that they were on the street somewhere and would have to be found through continuous surveillance. Plus, since he was Persona Non Grata, you can't exactly run the phone operation out of the FBI basement with a bunch of kids.
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Mar 29, 2007 10:56:33 GMT -5
Hey wait a sec... I've talked to Stephen Geyer about "Once Upon A Time" and he never mentioned you, helane4bill. What gives??? Seriously, just thought I'd mention... what a great song. Too bad it's so brief!
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Post by prometheus74 on Apr 30, 2011 21:50:51 GMT -5
Maxwell failing the mandatory yearly lie detector test with the FBI, because of the question: "Have you experienced anything unusual in the past six months?" Hilarious!
The first season, though short, has arguably the best episodes-----very rich in character development.
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