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Apr 3, 2005 11:02:31 GMT -5
Post by The J-Man on Apr 3, 2005 11:02:31 GMT -5
I said "Don Cervantes' name is omitted from the opening credits on the Season Two DVD".
That means he receives no billing whatsoever after "The Lost Diablo".
WTF? This is even worse than the changes in music and the absence of the teasers. Who is Don Cervantes, somebody's red-headed step-child? The man has been, literally, discredited.
c'mon everybody, chant it with me: FREE DON CERVANTES FREE DON CERVANTES ATTICA ATTICA...
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Jun 6, 2007 16:36:00 GMT -5
Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Jun 6, 2007 16:36:00 GMT -5
Cannell and Co. Always on the cheap. What can you say?
Sad, because I've seen so many other bare-bones DVD releases that offer basically NO extras and STILL bother to get little things right, like making sure the friggin' OPENINGS are correct, so the intro that aired on a particular episode actually airs properly on that episode of the DVD.
The same can't be said for GAH. Hell... on the Season 3 release, the episodes themselves are out of order from the way they originally aired.
(sigh)
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Jun 6, 2007 17:27:03 GMT -5
Post by MelMac on Jun 6, 2007 17:27:03 GMT -5
On the plus side to the episodes that are in Season three, we see how good the third season was going to be... then see how as the money dimished, so did the quality of the eps (as far as filming. Still think "30 seconds" is the worst written ep of the season.)
I agree, however, that the credits should've been right and Cervantes mentioned in them. I understand them removing the teasers because for "Classical Gas" the teaser has Rhonda singing a song that was removed, however, this one tends to irk me because they're incorrect. Same goes with Connie's credit not having "as Pamela Davidson (or Davidson-Hinkley" in the last season.
Shame they couldn't have at least done one commentary with the cast on a story, such as the pilot. That would've been a neat extra: Have at least one commentary by the cast on one ep from each season. Then we'd had at least one extra for the third season: Not the "Coming Soon" stuff they did for it. Only tie those had were that SJC produced them.
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Jun 22, 2007 20:51:33 GMT -5
Post by culpkatt on Jun 22, 2007 20:51:33 GMT -5
Anchor Bay usually does excellent work on their TV DVD releases. An example of how much effort they put into an obscure 80s TV show with a cult following would be the Sledge Hammer DVDs. If Cannell had as much enthusiasm for GAH as Alan Spencer does for Sledge, the GAH DVD set would have been packed with extras, including commentaries. It would have been very cool to have the three leads do at least one commentary on an episode together. Speaking of which, if you had to pick one episode for a Culp/Katt/Sellecca commentary, which episode would it be? I'd have to go with the pilot.
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Jun 22, 2007 21:18:10 GMT -5
Post by MelMac on Jun 22, 2007 21:18:10 GMT -5
First season: Pilot (closely followed by My Heroes, because of working with John Hart.) Second season: Operation Spoilsport, Train of Thought or Beast in the Black. I mention ToT because it's a good story with all three in there trying to relearn the suit. Third Season: Divorce, Venusian Style, Live at Eleven or Heaven is in your Genes. I'd say "Vanity," but it doesn't make any sense and to me, it felt like everyone phoned it in because it was the last story filmed. (I like parts of the ep mind you, but you can almost feel that listening to the cast and how the story ends. It's downbeat.) =================== Now, going on a money POV, what was cut songwise could've been made up in doing commentaries. I think people would've been interested in hearing the cast talk about stuff that happened in the series as well as some of the stuff they did to make the suit have all these powers on TV (I'd love to know where they got the idea for the wavy lined holographs). I've only heard Katt give a commentary in "House," and though he doesn't get to talk much (because the writer/director/big wig chews up a lot of time), what he does talk about is funny (and for it's equivalent of the suit, Katt said he felt ridiculous hitting the marlin that acted like the singing trout. ) Culp too has been known to give good commentaries, and I can imagine Connie and Pare doing the same thing. I think it might've boosted up sales if they even just included it in the deluxe edition. I'd save up the $70 or so to buy it. It was a missed opportunity.
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Jun 25, 2007 9:03:04 GMT -5
Post by HoudiniDerek on Jun 25, 2007 9:03:04 GMT -5
I think that SJC might have done it to see if it was worth it to release others that way. After all, PROFIT had SEVERAL extras...and I think that probably helped sales too, even though there were a lot fewer episodes.
As for the episodes, I would agree with the PILOT, but would say BEST DESK SCENARIO or SATURDAY ON SUNSET BOULEVARD over any other first season ones.
Second season: CLASSICAL GAS.
Third season: WIZARDS AND WARLOCKS.
To me, you can't have a commentary with all three leads unless all three were a major part and episodes like DIVORCE and O:SS are useless with Connie not in them as much.
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Jun 25, 2007 10:36:46 GMT -5
Post by MelMac on Jun 25, 2007 10:36:46 GMT -5
I think that SJC might have done it to see if it was worth it to release others that way. After all, PROFIT had SEVERAL extras...and I think that probably helped sales too, even though there were a lot fewer episodes. As for the episodes, I would agree with the PILOT, but would say BEST DESK SCENARIO or SATURDAY ON SUNSET BOULEVARD over any other first season ones. Second season: CLASSICAL GAS. Third season: WIZARDS AND WARLOCKS. To me, you can't have a commentary with all three leads unless all three were a major part and episodes like DIVORCE and O:SS are useless with Connie not in them as much. Wizards and Warlocks would be a good episode as well, or Desperado, which I think was one of the last great eps of the series (Rock and Roll is good too except for Pam getting the teenybopper treatment. Classical Gas is a good one as well, but the reason I mention Train of Thought is like CG, it focuses on all three and has a pretty good plot.
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Jun 25, 2007 12:29:53 GMT -5
Post by HoudiniDerek on Jun 25, 2007 12:29:53 GMT -5
Train of Thought would be okay overall as Pam is more involved, but there are very few second and third season ones that would work for all three main cast.
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Jun 26, 2007 22:43:36 GMT -5
Post by scenario on Jun 26, 2007 22:43:36 GMT -5
Anchor Bay usually does excellent work on their TV DVD releases. An example of how much effort they put into an obscure 80s TV show with a cult following would be the Sledge Hammer DVDs. If Cannell had as much enthusiasm for GAH as Alan Spencer does for Sledge, the GAH DVD set would have been packed with extras, including commentaries. It would have been very cool to have the three leads do at least one commentary on an episode together. Speaking of which, if you had to pick one episode for a Culp/Katt/Sellecca commentary, which episode would it be? I'd have to go with the pilot. There are many aspects of the GAH DVDs that are dissapointing, we all know what the key ones are. But honestly I did think they showed some enthusiasm for these DVDs. The Cannell interviews, the interviews with the cast, then there is that box set. It could have been even worse. Back in 2004, there were plenty of TV shows getting DVD releases, but three years ago you still didn't have that feeling that "every show gets a DVD release, no matter how unknown or crappy". So I remember how up in the air a GAH DVD release was, and how amazed and excited we were for that release. In '07, hearing about some old TV show getting released on DVD is not a big deal at all, but just three years ago, I think it was somewhat of a bigger deal.
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Jun 26, 2007 22:45:30 GMT -5
Post by HoudiniDerek on Jun 26, 2007 22:45:30 GMT -5
Anchor Bay usually does excellent work on their TV DVD releases. An example of how much effort they put into an obscure 80s TV show with a cult following would be the Sledge Hammer DVDs. If Cannell had as much enthusiasm for GAH as Alan Spencer does for Sledge, the GAH DVD set would have been packed with extras, including commentaries. It would have been very cool to have the three leads do at least one commentary on an episode together. Speaking of which, if you had to pick one episode for a Culp/Katt/Sellecca commentary, which episode would it be? I'd have to go with the pilot. There are many aspects of the GAH DVDs that are dissapointing, we all know what the key ones are. But honestly I did think they showed some enthusiasm for these DVDs. The Cannell interviews, the interviews with the cast, then there is that box set. It could have been even worse. Back in 2004, there were plenty of TV shows getting DVD releases, but three years ago you still didn't have that feeling that "every show gets a DVD release, no matter how unknown or crappy". So I remember how up in the air a GAH DVD release was, and how amazed and excited we were for that release. In '07, hearing about some old TV show getting released on DVD is not a big deal at all, but just three years ago, I think it was somewhat of a bigger deal. Good call, Scenario. I remember how excited I was to find it. And there are TONS of crappy TV out there now. I don't know who decides what shows get picked, but they ought to be fired for the most part. And you are right on what we did get: It could have been less or worse. We should be grateful.
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Jun 27, 2007 0:01:29 GMT -5
Post by MelMac on Jun 27, 2007 0:01:29 GMT -5
Yes, I am too, because this is the first show I remember watching, and Ralph my all time favorite character. I think they did miss the mark about the extras and changing the songs (though at least IMHO they got a good replacement for "Pinball Wizard," as I didn't miss the song and they chose a tune that fit the arcade game. Well, at least for "Dungeons and Dragons," as it didn't have background music. ) Could be worse, could be the people carging close to $70 for "The Sopranos" with no extras. Or, "Doctor Who" fans missing out on some stories possibly getting animation treatment for missing episodes because of costs too.
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Jun 27, 2007 8:03:19 GMT -5
Post by HoudiniDerek on Jun 27, 2007 8:03:19 GMT -5
After all, MACGYVER had seven seasons with NO special features...we could indeed be getting screwed on more than music and some edits.
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Jun 27, 2007 13:09:50 GMT -5
Post by MelMac on Jun 27, 2007 13:09:50 GMT -5
After all, MACGYVER had seven seasons with NO special features...we could indeed be getting screwed on more than music and some edits. Yeah, and that's a shame too, as I'd like to have at least had something about Richard Dean Anderson's background and stuff about why he did his owns stunts and the like. Considering "The Wild, Wild West" TV series had several extras in the first collection and Robert Conrad is the only surviving regular cast member (and he did intros to each ep with some interesting facts/memories of filming that show), it's a shame that some didn't consider that.
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Jun 27, 2007 15:02:09 GMT -5
Post by HoudiniDerek on Jun 27, 2007 15:02:09 GMT -5
He might have been too busy and such...you can never tell...or they might not have asked him. We can never assume these things.
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Jul 2, 2007 19:21:54 GMT -5
Post by culpkatt on Jul 2, 2007 19:21:54 GMT -5
I get the impression that GAH does not register as one of Cannell's favorite projects as a television producer. In his interview on the Season One discs he mentions that he was never a fan of the genre, the running battle he endured with network (ABC) interference, dealing with the frustration of the actors regarding the direction the show was taking and, of course, Cannell and his wife losing their son during the second season. It seemed like it wasn't a very happy time in his life.
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Jul 2, 2007 19:29:24 GMT -5
Post by MelMac on Jul 2, 2007 19:29:24 GMT -5
I get the impression that GAH does not register as one of Cannell's favorite projects as a television producer. In his interview on the Season One discs he mentions that he was never a fan of the genre, the running battle he endured with network (ABC) interference, dealing with the frustration of the actors regarding the direction the show was taking and, of course, Cannell and his wife losing their son during the second season. It seemed like it wasn't a very happy time in his life. I agree with points of that, as if the actor's aren't happy, things do get tougher. But, I think more of it is because of ABC's interference and turning it more into a chasing monsters bit that got his dander up than anything. I don't think the actors were mad at Cannell (I don't get that vibe from either Culp or Katt - suit exception, but it's a costume), but more upset with ABC than anything. Can't blame them, as the show is the strongest when it's real life scenarios with the suit thrown in the mix. Only "Divorce, Venuisan Style" and "Beast in the Black" IMHO work well as stories outside of the normal situation. And, losing a son would definitely cause problems, especially if the show did have a children's fanbase as well. It would be hard to write something that you know your son would watch, so I can see that too being a harder time on his life.
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Jul 2, 2007 19:36:17 GMT -5
Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 2, 2007 19:36:17 GMT -5
I get the impression that GAH does not register as one of Cannell's favorite projects as a television producer. In his interview on the Season One discs he mentions that he was never a fan of the genre, the running battle he endured with network (ABC) interference, dealing with the frustration of the actors regarding the direction the show was taking and, of course, Cannell and his wife losing their son during the second season. It seemed like it wasn't a very happy time in his life. I think it probably WAS a favorite project, but he remembers the hassles he had with ABC AND the trauma around losing his son. I think that would make it a dark spot for me too.
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Jul 27, 2007 10:55:39 GMT -5
Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Jul 27, 2007 10:55:39 GMT -5
Yeah, from what I've read, I'd agree with that. GAH probably still holds a special place in Cannell's heart (though not enough to pay for music licensing - LOL) but I think he also clearly remembers the extreme trouble he had with ABC at the time. A shame.
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Jul 27, 2007 11:12:15 GMT -5
Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 27, 2007 11:12:15 GMT -5
Yeah, from what I've read, I'd agree with that. GAH probably still holds a special place in Cannell's heart (though not enough to pay for music licensing - LOL) but I think he also clearly remembers the extreme trouble he had with ABC at the time. A shame. Too bad his network troubles would not end with that one. PROFIT had the same sort of problem...just MUCH faster.
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