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Post by MiltonMaxwell on Apr 13, 2005 20:23:06 GMT -5
The order in which the episodes aired is not the same as they are presented on DVD. I assume that the DVD presents these in the order they were made, however, I noticed that in 3 Ring Circus Bill was in trouble of the number of cars that he trashed, but in 2nd season Bill had not yet trashed any cars. Most were trashed after that episode. Is this truly the correct order? If anyone can enlighten, me do so.
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Post by The J-Man on Apr 13, 2005 21:19:25 GMT -5
The order of the episodes on the DVD is the exact same order that they were originally broadcast in 1981/82. Trust me, I was there; I'm a very old man.
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Post by MiltonMaxwell on Apr 14, 2005 7:03:28 GMT -5
Okay, that makes more sense. So what was the actual production order?
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Post by The J-Man on Apr 14, 2005 7:46:29 GMT -5
Well, I know that "Lilacs, Mr. Maxwell" was actually filmed around mid-season (approx episode 13) but held back till the end by the network. "Who's Woo in America" is the "real" season finale.
I don't know for sure, but the fact that Connie Sellecca is back in full force in "Classical Gas", then nowhere to be seen in "The Beast in the Black" has often made me wonder.
Also under the heading of I'm not sure but: "Operation: Spoilsport" always struck me as being made first. Carlise is introduced as the new boss. Pam's absence is explained in some detail (in "200 Mile-an-Hour Fastball" she phones in, but no real exposition on where she is or why). The return of the ship is an "event" and saving the world is a bit more of a season premier than saving basball. Again, I don't know, just thoughts that have been rolling around in my mind for a few years.
Other than that, nothing really jumps out at me. Not like that "Riptide" fiasco in '84...
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Apr 14, 2005 10:31:58 GMT -5
Well, to throw in what I know... Beast In The Black was definitely FILMED first. Juanita Bartlett has said so (in an old magazine article I have). I didn't know about Lilacs being filmed and then held back until the end (I do know the production number indicated it was one of the middle season two episodes written though) - any idea why it was held back? Also, you can tell by Connie's... um... figure that Classical Gas and The Lost Diablo were two of the very first episodes shot after she returned from having her baby. Not to be crude, but she is far more 'top heavy' in those episodes than any others in season two.  |
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Post by The J-Man on Apr 14, 2005 11:45:27 GMT -5
I didn't know about Lilacs being filmed and then held back until the end (I do know the production number indicated it was one of the middle season two episodes written though) - any idea why it was held back? To bust balls. The network always hated culp's scripts, and screwed with him accordingly. Stopping the first season one episode short of the season finale, claiming the show was behind schedule. They just hated Culp's script. They said the show was behind schedule and that they could do it for the second season premeir, instead. Then when time came around, they just nixed the script, altogether ("The Long Fall at Ten, Two, and Four")*. Culp wrote one where a bunch of old bad guys drug Bill, attempting to kill him, but he gets away before they can finish the job, and he spends the entire episode turned up to 11, if you will. Think of the final 10 minute of "Operation: Spoilsport" stretched into an etire episode. Culp wrote a two parter where Ralph and Bill save the whales; actually save the whales. Ralph has to drag Bill kicking and screaming into the mission, but once Maxwell sees the horror of it with his own two eyes, he's totally on board (think "Desperado" with blowholes). Ralph is able to telepathically communicate with the whales to change their migration habits to avoid the whalers. Culp wrote one where they meet The Greatest Russian Hero. *Kick-ass script, at the very end, the space ship returns and sends Bills dead partner down to address the issue of the lost instruction book in a manner not unlike "Don't Mess Around With Jim":
Agent John Mackie:
"Anything without problems is too easy, becomes unimportant. What you are doing is important.
Culp rules.
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Apr 14, 2005 12:05:41 GMT -5
God I hate ABC.
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Post by billswoman on Oct 5, 2005 16:01:39 GMT -5
I didn't know about Lilacs being filmed and then held back until the end (I do know the production number indicated it was one of the middle season two episodes written though) - any idea why it was held back? To bust balls. The network always hated culp's scripts, and screwed with him accordingly. Stopping the first season one episode short of the season finale, claiming the show was behind schedule. They just hated Culp's script. They said the show was behind schedule and that they could do it for the second season premeir, instead. Then when time came around, they just nixed the script, altogether ("The Long Fall at Ten, Two, and Four")*. Culp wrote one where a bunch of old bad guys drug Bill, attempting to kill him, but he gets away before they can finish the job, and he spends the entire episode turned up to 11, if you will. Think of the final 10 minute of "Operation: Spoilsport" stretched into an etire episode. Culp wrote a two parter where Ralph and Bill save the whales; actually save the whales. Ralph has to drag Bill kicking and screaming into the mission, but once Maxwell sees the horror of it with his own two eyes, he's totally on board (think "Desperado" with blowholes). Ralph is able to telepathically communicate with the whales to change their migration habits to avoid the whalers. Culp wrote one where they meet The Greatest Russian Hero. *Kick-ass script, at the very end, the space ship returns and sends Bills dead partner down to address the issue of the lost instruction book in a manner not unlike "Don't Mess Around With Jim":
Agent John Mackie:
"Anything without problems is too easy, becomes unimportant. What you are doing is important.
Culp rules.
I dredged this up when I searched on "Long Fall" for more of that unproduced script, J-Man. You look like you're describing at least a couple or few scripts here, however, or are they all from "Long Fall..."? Also, where'd you get this intel? I'm googling all over the place and have only found the thread under GAHeroine, and places selling the script. Why did ABC dislike Culp's scripts? Had they never heard of "I Spy" and the 7 awesome scripts he wrote for them, not to mention the 2-parter "Rifleman" and other cool things he's scripted? When your scripts get various and sundry Emmy nominations, there must be something to them, no? (He was nominated for "The Warlord" and Eartha Kitt was for "The Loser"... for those who dont' know.) J-man, can you give us a fairly-detailed summary of The Long Fall... ? I'm dying for more dirt than what you briefly mention in your earlier post. (Oh yeah, one more thing... in the first season's "The Best Desk Scenario," Bill had thrashed 3 cars... car #3 being courtesy of Ralph and his misdirected pyrokinesis. Someone asked if they didn't keep a tally till Season 2.) |
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Post by The J-Man on Oct 5, 2005 21:54:35 GMT -5
I'm describing several different scripts. Culp referenced them in interviews while the show was in production. If they're out there somewhere available for purchase, I've never seen them.
In order to give a decent summary of "Long Fall...", I'd have to sit down and read it carefully. Don't want to do that (though I might post some cool quotes). Buy it. It's well worth it.
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