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Post by believeitornot on Sept 22, 2007 9:24:04 GMT -5
What are the bonus features on the season 3 set?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 22, 2007 14:40:12 GMT -5
I don't recall any.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 22, 2007 21:22:53 GMT -5
There are none, unless you call previews for other DVD collections one. I've even checked for Easter eggs, and there are none... unless it's one of those multi-feature ones to turn it on.
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Post by believeitornot on Oct 3, 2007 11:36:20 GMT -5
Well, I finally got my season 3 discs and I don't know if it's just on the one set I bought or all of them, but the eps. are very out of order according to this sites program guide. "The Newlywed Game" is ep. 2 on disc 3, but there are 2 eps. each on discs one and two that seem to come after the wedding.
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Post by MelMac on Oct 3, 2007 12:16:41 GMT -5
They are. For some reason this season's stories went out in the order they were filmed, not when they aired. Probably the only one that matches for sure is "Vanity, Says the Preacher." I think it was going to be the season finale if they aired all the stories.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 3, 2007 13:40:09 GMT -5
If you want to watch them in airing order, go to GG's episode guide and write them down.
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Post by mmderdekea on Oct 4, 2007 14:18:19 GMT -5
Was Vanity the last episode of the show? I'm at work so can't check. "Vanity" would have been an odd season ender, especially if they knew the show was getting cancelled, as it featured Bill as the "hero", not Ralph. The tag scene implied Bill was going to his friends, given the size of his pizza order, but was solely high-lighting Bill and his past/current history of helping to liberate a country. I wonder what Katt thought of that.
I think it's fairly well known that I do not like the episode or think it's well written, being so OVER-written, nor do I agree with Culp's view of the aliens and the sleepers. I think the episodes that worked the best had the most playful and serious interactions between the main characters, as SJC no doubt envisioned in his creation of the show.
Mona
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Oct 4, 2007 14:31:09 GMT -5
Used to hate "Vanity" but it has since grown on me quite a bit. Can't argue that it's disjointed as all hell though, but they did the best they could, knowing they had already been axed and having their budget taken away from them...
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Post by MelMac on Oct 4, 2007 15:33:13 GMT -5
It was the last episode filmed, and IMHO would've probably been the last one shown or at least darn near it. If I recall correctly, the network wasn't too fond of Culp's writing skills or something along those lines and tried to push his stories back and not produce them as long as they could. It might be why "Long Fall" wasn't filmed either.
And, IMHO even if "Vanity" wasn't the last one that was supposed to air, it just felt like it was the last. The last scene just feels depressing, not hopeful to me - and it would no matter who was in the shot, even the trio.
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Post by greenguy on Oct 4, 2007 21:32:29 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, the network wasn't too fond of Culp's writing skills or something along those lines and tried to push his stories back and not produce them as long as they could. It might be why "Long Fall" wasn't filmed either. In an interview that took place with Culp between the 1st and 2nd seasons, he mentioned that when he wrote Long Fall it wasn't produced because if it had been, it would have been a new episode that would have aired when all other series were in reruns for the year. Remember back in the early 80's, networks did not think anyone would watch a new episode in the midst of reruns because viewership was so low during the summer. It was their belief that no one would realize it was a new episode and watch it. Of course, if that was the case why wasn't it held and produced during the 2nd season............................
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Post by The J-Man on Oct 4, 2007 21:54:13 GMT -5
I wish that the very last scene featured all three leads picking up the pizza together, just to give them a "curtain call" together in the final scene of the final episode. Otherwise, I never found the final scene depressing. The news report of the Delvera boys, Manco, and the peasants getting out the vote was an affirmation that Ralph and Bill made a difference. And Bill knows it, just look at him.
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Post by MelMac on Oct 4, 2007 22:47:32 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, the network wasn't too fond of Culp's writing skills or something along those lines and tried to push his stories back and not produce them as long as they could. It might be why "Long Fall" wasn't filmed either. In an interview that took place with Culp between the 1st and 2nd seasons, he mentioned that when he wrote Long Fall it wasn't produced because if it had been, it would have been a new episode that would have aired when all other series were in reruns for the year. Remember back in the early 80's, networks did not think anyone would watch a new episode in the midst of reruns because viewership was so low during the summer. It was their belief that no one would realize it was a new episode and watch it. Of course, if that was the case why wasn't it held and produced during the 2nd season............................ Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure about "Long Fall." And, J-Man, I think the reason I feel it so depressing is how the whole scene plays out on film, not so much the content itself. There are other episodes I feel the same way. I'm like you, I wish all three were there because they all helped out in the case.
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Post by jopierce on Oct 5, 2007 2:05:58 GMT -5
Was Vanity the last episode of the show? I'm at work so can't check. "Vanity" would have been an odd season ender, especially if they knew the show was getting cancelled, as it featured Bill as the "hero", not Ralph. The tag scene implied Bill was going to his friends, given the size of his pizza order, but was solely high-lighting Bill and his past/current history of helping to liberate a country. I wonder what Katt thought of that. I think it's fairly well known that I do not like the episode or think it's well written, being so OVER-written, nor do I agree with Culp's view of the aliens and the sleepers. I think the episodes that worked the best had the most playful and serious interactions between the main characters, as SJC no doubt envisioned in his creation of the show. Mona I posted this on the GAH Minor board, but I think it bears repeating here....
In some ways I love this episode - Bill reliving his youth, Bill fumbling with speech making, the whole "Are they his kids or not" debate, Ralph running the scenario because Bill is so caught up in everything else...
But I really hate that Bill is SOOOOO out of character.
Honestly, I think Mr. Culp - and with all due respect -really screwed up with this episode.
I loves ya, Mr. Culp, but since when would Bill Maxwell be helping a Marxist revolution?
I mean, that IS what happened. That was the premise of the episode. The people fighting against and overthrowing powerful companies who own and govern a country? That's basic Marxism 101.
So what the heck was Bill doing there? I can't believe that he was there with the Gubmint's blessing... was he working on his own, joining the struggle? If so, how did he EVER get in the FBI when he got back?
I think that this is also part of the reason why this episode is so confusing. It is really hard for fans to reconcile Bill fighting alongside Marxist Revolutionaries...
GRRRRRR.... Mr. Culp, I call "Do-Over!"
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Post by believeitornot on Oct 5, 2007 8:43:21 GMT -5
The only part I really liked about it was seeing who I hoped was one of Robert Culp's sons portraying him in the old film of the revolution. That young man really looked like him.
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Post by mmderdekea on Oct 5, 2007 8:53:48 GMT -5
Hello, all,
Well, I don't know Believeitornot, if his son looked like him. I still wonder why they didn't snag a shot of Culp in his Hoby Gilman Trackdown series, where he drew his gun all the time (Gilman has the highest kills of bad guys I think of any TV lawman).
Also, I Jo has a good point about why would Bill help the people overcome the main governement? We all know that Latin American has been ravaged by American corporations historically in the last century, with the governments and the corporations committing grave atrocities against the populations of the countries. Was Bill Maxwell an idealist liberal back in his youth, right after the Korean War, when he fought valiantly against, and was shot by, Communists? It is a little hard to fathom Bill would leap from the War into attempting to overcome a non-Communist government supported no doubt by the U.S.
Perhaps he met a South American soldier in the Korean War and was befriended by him, and knowing Bill's extreme loyalty to people (unless they plan to murder folks), could that have dragged Bill back to his soldier friend's country, supposedly to fight against "bad guys", and get Bill somewhat innocently involved in something much more potent--the overthrow of the government of the country? I suppose it could happen....
Perhaps I'll ask Culp about it tomorrow when I see him....
In reality, this episode was simply Culp's desperate act to finally get some sort of film shot on his failed movie idea "Summer Soldiers". The fact that he, as Jo said, miscast Bill Maxwell in the role, and then gummed up the episode with too much stuff, was unfortunate.
Mona
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 5, 2007 9:14:13 GMT -5
Keeping this thread on track, I would say that I liked the third season at times because there was so much variance in stories. We go from something like DVS to THE PRICE IS RIGHT and then we have other episodes like CARLINI and WIZARDS AND WARLOCKS which can be so much fun in the long run. Granted, the music changes are there, but not overly noticeable and it would be nice to have the episodes in order, but I did like the third season. I don't know if this is considered an "extra" or not, but I liked having the box play part of the theme...it still does it. It keeps going and going and going.... (I know what you all want to say, but I will beg you: TAKE IT TO THE SMUT BOARD!)
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Post by Nicol on Oct 5, 2007 9:34:14 GMT -5
I liked the box playing the theme to. I found out it did that completly by accident. Actualy it was my friends dog that found it for me. Was sleeping when all of a sudden I heard the GAH theme. slightly confused as to were this music was coming from I followed the sound into the living room but All I saw was the dog and the GAH box under him. I was like Ok what is going on. I went over and the dog moved setting the music off again. lol
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