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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 8, 2007 10:46:41 GMT -5
For whatever problems Ralph had with Alicia, we know that Kevin loved her and loved being with her. Even Ralph was a little jealous of Kevin's excitement of seeing Alicia arrive. Mona Agreed. And that helps me to think that maybe Alicia won custody fair and square in the courtroom, especially if Pam was not on the case anymore.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 8, 2007 10:49:41 GMT -5
I just wish people would quit picking on Ralph. He would've been a great father to Kevin too. While I do agree that it's possible Alicia could've been a better parent, there's also the possibility she did things that we didn't know about to get her to convince Kevin she'd be the better parent. In "Reseda Rose," Kevin is just as happy talking to Ralph about his trip with Pam as he is saying hi to his mom. He also mentions clearly in the pilot he loves both parents and is clearly happy being around Ralph in that story. I've also felt, watching "Reseda Rose," that Alicia is a bit of a manipulator too. She does tell Ralph when she finds out that Kevin wen to the park with Pam that "I don't see why you're wanting to visit Kevin if you're not going to be around him" (roughly), which makes it look like everything's his fault. This goes double in the fact that she dropped Kevin off because she had a photoshoot to go to, and it apparently wasn't a normal visitation, regardless that Ralph needed to find Rhonda's mother. But, regardless, the producers couldn't figure out a way to keep him in the show, so they wrote him out. Kevin was the better of the two kids they used in the series/series attempt. Too bad they didn't explain his departure, and leave us wondering what happened. Makes for good fanfiction though.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 8, 2007 10:53:02 GMT -5
I just wish people would quit picking on Ralph. He would've been a great father to Kevin too. While I do agree that it's possible Alicia could've been a better parent, there's also the possibility she did things that we didn't know about to get her to convince Kevin she'd be the better parent. In "Reseda Rose," Kevin is just as happy talking to Ralph about his trip with Pam as he is saying hi to his mom. He also mentions clearly in the pilot he loves both parents and is clearly happy being around Ralph in that story. I've also felt, watching "Reseda Rose," that Alicia is a bit of a manipulator too. She does tell Ralph when she finds out that Kevin wen to the park with Pam that "I don't see why you're wanting to visit Kevin if you're not going to be around him" (roughly), which makes it look like everything's his fault. This goes double in the fact that she dropped Kevin off because she had a photoshoot to go to, and it apparently wasn't a normal visitation, regardless that Ralph needed to find Rhonda's mother. But, regardless, the producers couldn't figure out a way to keep him in the show, so they wrote him out. Kevin was the better of the two kids they used in the series/series attempt. Too bad they didn't explain his departure, and leave us wondering what happened. Makes for good fanfiction though. We aren't picking on Ralph. We are just not so blind to believe that he was the better parent. After all, Kevin loved to be with both and loved to spend time with both. I always thought it would be neat to see an episode where they try to get back together and Pam comes in to knock Alicia's head off and Ralph's. Then, she went on with her life and left the loser behind. And in RESEDA ROSE, it just goes to show HOW gullible Ralph is overall. Yes, he wants to keep Kevin, but he doesn't even REMEMBER him when searching for Rhonda's mom. Pam is right: He could have called. I think custody should have been given to Pam.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 8, 2007 11:10:46 GMT -5
Fair point, but I see a lot of people imply otherwise... no matter what. Pam would've been a good stepmom to Kevin too, and it makes you wish that they at least had one more ep in the series in either 2 or 3 where Kevin visited Ralph. But, all he gets is the comment in Plague about Ralph being a bit more susceptible to catching Kevin's colds.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 8, 2007 11:21:26 GMT -5
Fair point, but I see a lot of people imply otherwise... no matter what. Pam would've been a good stepmom to Kevin too, and it makes you wish that they at least had one more ep in the series in either 2 or 3 where Kevin visited Ralph. But, all he gets is the comment in Plague about Ralph being a bit more susceptible to catching Kevin's colds. He was talked about in THERE'S JUST NO ACCOUNTING too...indirectly.
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Post by greenguy on Sept 8, 2007 11:25:30 GMT -5
post=1189268486] Fair point, but I see a lot of people imply otherwise... no matter what. Pam would've been a good stepmom to Kevin too, and it makes you wish that they at least had one more ep in the series in either 2 or 3 where Kevin visited Ralph. But, all he gets is the comment in Plague about Ralph being a bit more susceptible to catching Kevin's colds. He was talked about in THERE'S JUST NO ACCOUNTING too...indirectly. [/quote] He also gets a mention in Operation: Spoilsport too. In the scene with Robin Riker, Katt has the line: Maybe I should just take my son and fly away somewhere....I don't even know how to fly..very well." In an interview with Frank Lupo in between the 2nd & 3rd seasons, he was asked about the Kevin issue. He mentioned they had to have a teacher on set, he could only work so many hours by law, and he made a comment about the mother. All of that just led me to believe it was too much of a hassle. They always intended to deal with the issue of Kevin during the 2nd year, but then just let it fade away.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 8, 2007 11:31:53 GMT -5
That doesn't surprise me...especially since I would imagine tutors are not cheap. Do you know the comment made about the mother?
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Post by MelMac on Sept 8, 2007 11:35:43 GMT -5
Fair point, but I see a lot of people imply otherwise... no matter what. Pam would've been a good stepmom to Kevin too, and it makes you wish that they at least had one more ep in the series in either 2 or 3 where Kevin visited Ralph. But, all he gets is the comment in Plague about Ralph being a bit more susceptible to catching Kevin's colds. He was talked about in THERE'S JUST NO ACCOUNTING too...indirectly. He also gets a mention in Operation: Spoilsport too. In the scene with Robin Riker, Katt has the line: Maybe I should just take my son and fly away somewhere....I don't even know how to fly..very well." In an interview with Frank Lupo in between the 2nd & 3rd seasons, he was asked about the Kevin issue. He mentioned they had to have a teacher on set, he could only work so many hours by law, and he made a comment about the mother. All of that just led me to believe it was too much of a hassle. They always intended to deal with the issue of Kevin during the 2nd year, but then just let it fade away. Sorry, should've clarified by name in the second season. But, that would make sense as far as the child actors and such. It would get to be quite expensive and with kids temperments and the time they're allowed to work, it makes sense to have phased him out in the series.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 8, 2007 11:50:16 GMT -5
I still agree GG that it would have been neat to have SOME episode of closure or explanation.
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Post by greenguy on Sept 8, 2007 11:59:38 GMT -5
That doesn't surprise me...especially since I would imagine tutors are not cheap. Do you know the comment made about the mother? Actually I don't remember, that's why I was a bit vague in that post. I thinkmit was something like "and we had the mother to deal with" or something to that effect.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 8, 2007 12:05:06 GMT -5
That doesn't surprise me...especially since I would imagine tutors are not cheap. Do you know the comment made about the mother? Actually I don't remember, that's why I was a bit vague in that post. I thinkmit was something like "and we had the mother to deal with" or something to that effect. Oh. I thought you meant the character of Alicia. If you mean Kevin's real life mother, that makes more sense.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 8, 2007 15:24:30 GMT -5
Actually I don't remember, that's why I was a bit vague in that post. I thinkmit was something like "and we had the mother to deal with" or something to that effect. Oh. I thought you meant the character of Alicia. If you mean Kevin's real life mother, that makes more sense. If it was in regard to Kevin's real life mom, it could be anything. Some parents seem to be very persnickety about what (and how much) their child does in the show and pay it seems. But that combined with the tutor and child labor laws, it would make sense as to why they let the issue fade away.
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Post by greenguy on Sept 8, 2007 18:51:09 GMT -5
Yep, Lupo was talking about his real life mom. So I guess there was some sort of situation they had been dealing with.
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Post by jopierce on Sept 8, 2007 21:41:40 GMT -5
Back to Alicia vs Ralph.
Let's assume they were both equally good/bad parents.
If that is the case, courts tend to place kids with mothers, not their fathers. That is changing a bit, but in the early 80s it was clearly so. Second wave feminism changed some of this, but there was still a strong cultural expection of who should raise the kids. Remember Kramer vs Kramer?
It's a sad situation, but it how our society sees the role and duties of mothering vs fathering, and who should get the kids in the event of a divorce.
I think that this would be - real like child labor laws aside - a very plausable explanation.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 9, 2007 11:07:54 GMT -5
Back to Alicia vs Ralph.
Let's assume they were both equally good/bad parents.
If that is the case, courts tend to place kids with mothers, not their fathers. That is changing a bit, but in the early 80s it was clearly so. Second wave feminism changed some of this, but there was still a strong cultural expection of who should raise the kids. Remember Kramer vs Kramer?
It's a sad situation, but it how our society sees the role and duties of mothering vs fathering, and who should get the kids in the event of a divorce.
I think that this would be - real like child labor laws aside - a very plausable explanation. I agree. I hate this expectation (and it still exists) that a mother is the better role model and parent for a child.
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Post by sidneyfromlaslunas on Feb 19, 2024 11:05:10 GMT -5
In O:SS, there is one reference to him (that Ralph should just grab his kid and fly off somewhere, or something like that.) But other than that.... nothing. Not even a friggin photo in the house. It's like the elusive Mrs. Maxwell. Not one friggin photo. ]I thought it was interesting he was even mentioned in Plague since by this point, Kevin had long since been swept under the rug. There was a realization.... oops, Ralph can't go all over the world with Bill and still be the father of a young child.
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