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Post by jopierce on Dec 28, 2006 11:10:29 GMT -5
I tried to find a thread for Kevin, but couldn't find it... can we have a confirmation on that?? Anybody?
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Mac mentioned in The Lost Diablo thread about Ralph maybe being a Boy Scout leader - implying that he was a good dad. She also wondered what did Alicia ever do for Kevin that made her more worthy of gaining custody.
Is there any indication that she did gain custody? I guess we know she did, since let's face it, Kevin falls of the face of the earth really early on. In O:SS, there is one reference to him (that Ralph should just grab his kid and fly off somewhere, or something like that.) But other than that.... nothing. Not even a friggin photo in the house. It's like the elusive Mrs. Maxwell. Not one friggin photo.
But does anyone ever explicitly say that she wins the case? Or is it also just as likely that Ralph, now dealing with the insanity of the suit, realizes that it may somehow be better for Kevin to be with Alicia?
Even though she is not the best mom (IMHO), at least she doesn't have a gun-toting gung-ho Fed bursting in the door at all hours, threats of alien abductions, or have to deal with world destruction, threats of plague, Neo-Nazis, or ganstas on a regular basis...
Just a thought.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 28, 2006 11:13:15 GMT -5
There is no confirmation, no. But, I am not sure that Ralph would have been a BETTER dad than Alicia a mother. Obviously, Ralph was not paying enough attention to him to notice that his son has disappeared. As for being a Boy Scout leader, maybe that was his from being an Eagle Scout or maybe he just picked it up at a thrift store.
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Post by jopierce on Dec 28, 2006 11:15:34 GMT -5
D*mn. Ralph is the same size in his 20s as he was as a kid.
I want his diet plan...[/size]
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 28, 2006 11:17:17 GMT -5
He could be...some people are. I still wear the same size clothes now that I did in high school and college. So, if he got his Eagle Scout at 18 like one of my friends did, the shirt could still fit him, especially if he got it a little larger so he could grow into it.
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Post by billswoman on Dec 28, 2006 11:19:49 GMT -5
The mention in O:SS is when Bill & Ralph get back to Ralph's house, and the kids and Harry are out dragracing, Rhonda's out watching instead of babysitting Kevin like she's supposed to be.
I tend to think Kevin went to live with Alicia. I imagine Ralph's realized that what with his job as a teacher and suit scenarios, he can't be around for Kevin as he should. Granted, Alicia in pursuit of her career may not be either. I had one story, I think it's a WIP, that has Kevin going to live with Mom, and she finds an older teenage boy to be his regular babysitter, and Kevin likes the kid (even though he makes Kevin get his homework done and do his chores!)
But that's all mere speculation. As was pointed out, they don't really say one way or the other.
Maybe Ralph's also realized that with doing suit scenarios and associating with a gung-ho Federal agent, there may be some dangers involved to himself, Bill and Kevin, and wanted Kevin away from that atmosphere somewhat. Can't have his kid being firebombed by someone seeking revenge, after all.
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Post by jopierce on Dec 28, 2006 11:25:27 GMT -5
The mention in O:SS is when Bill & Ralph get back to Ralph's house, and the kids and Harry are out dragracing, Rhonda's out watching instead of babysitting Kevin like she's supposed to be. Oh, yeah. Forgot that part. The guy under the bridge. Who can forget him?
Yeah, the more I think about it, I really think Ralph did *decide* to have him go live with Alicia.
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Post by Ms Boku on Dec 28, 2006 11:38:07 GMT -5
D*mn. Ralph is the same size in his 20s as he was as a kid.
I want his diet plan... [/size][/quote] Tell me about it. He did bulk up a bit but still a good size.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 28, 2006 11:58:29 GMT -5
Well, it was a consideration here, given that I thought the shirt could go either way (And, I'm more inclined to the Eagle Scout, because it's a rare honor). But, in all honesty, I think that Ralph did decide Alicia, for as all turkeyness and such she was, would be the better choice as primary care parent only for Kevin's safety. I don't think that he'd not have any visitation rights though, and sometimes I feel this was implied in the series. While it might've hindered some stories, others could've been improved with an appearance of Kevin.
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Post by GAH Geek on Dec 29, 2006 21:47:29 GMT -5
D*mn. Ralph is the same size in his 20s as he was as a kid.
I want his diet plan... [/size][/quote] Ditto!
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 29, 2006 21:50:54 GMT -5
I never get the impression that Ralph was willing to give Kevin up, even after his idea in SPOILSPORT that he should take his kid and fly away. You think Kevin would be SAFER with his dad having a super suit. I believe that Ralph lost the custody battle overall because Kevin does not even show up to Ralph's WEDDING for crying out loud. It is not like he was busy filming his non speaking role in THE A-TEAM or anything! I believe Ralph lost custody and that he decided to lavish his fatherly intentions on the school kids...and Bill.
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Post by billswoman on Dec 29, 2006 22:00:41 GMT -5
But HD, there's a flaw in your (note I said YOUR) logic... that'd mean PAM lost the custody case, since she was originally Ralph's divorce attorney.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 29, 2006 22:06:54 GMT -5
But HD, there's a flaw in your (note I said YOUR) logic... that'd mean PAM lost the custody case, since she was originally Ralph's divorce attorney. Actually, I see her as having given up the case because you never hear about it again after the pilot, so I presume she was smart enough to see a losing battle (like with Tony) and decided that she would not play to Ralph losing the case. And just because I consider her great does not mean she is undefeatable. Besides, with Pam helping on suit work some and then being gone so much on other cases after being promoted, I can see her having to shuffle it off to someone else. After all, junior partners don't handle divorce cases of their boyfriends when they won't win much money.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 29, 2006 22:07:05 GMT -5
Not exactly (and HD could correct me if I'm wrong). I think if both Pam and Ralph were missing (such as on a case with Bill) I believe the court can make a ruling without either present. They could give Alicia sole custody and Ralph could lose visitation rights.
Of course, this still would put Pam into trouble with the firm, contrary to the series, so maybe her firm knew that she was closer to Ralph than a professional level and said she had to stand down from the case.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 29, 2006 22:09:20 GMT -5
Not exactly (and HD could correct me if I'm wrong). I think if both Pam and Ralph were missing (such as on a case with Bill) I believe the court can make a ruling without either present. They could give Alicia sole custody and Ralph could lose visitation rights. Of course, this still would put Pam into trouble with the firm, contrary to the series, so maybe her firm knew that she was closer to Ralph than a professional level and said she had to stand down from the case. They can either grant her the winner or issue a warrant for Ralph's arrest so he has to show up. As for Pam, I noted above that I think she might have HAD to give up the case for personal reasons AND because she was too important now.
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Post by jopierce on Dec 29, 2006 22:10:08 GMT -5
Well, although I loved BW's response (SNARK!!!) I always thought Pam had switched specializations... from divorce to corporate law...
Pilot - Divorce Best Desk - Corporate?? All Downhill - Corporate
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Post by The J-Man on Dec 29, 2006 22:16:33 GMT -5
In O:SS, there is one reference to him (that Ralph should just grab his kid and fly off somewhere, or something like that.) But other than that.... nothing. Not even a friggin photo in the house. It's like the elusive Mrs. Maxwell. Not one friggin photo. [/tt][/size][/quote] Kevin was mentioned after "O:SS", a little later in the second season in "Plague" ("Kevin comes home with a cold, and boom, I've got it", or something like that). And, actually, there is a photo in the house; through the very end of season two you can see it in the background when they have scenes set there.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 29, 2006 22:20:17 GMT -5
In O:SS, there is one reference to him (that Ralph should just grab his kid and fly off somewhere, or something like that.) But other than that.... nothing. Not even a friggin photo in the house. It's like the elusive Mrs. Maxwell. Not one friggin photo. [/tt][/size][/quote] Kevin was mentioned after "O:SS", a little later in the second season in "Plague" ("Kevin comes home with a cold, and boom, I've got it", or something like that). And, actually, there is a photo in the house; through the very end of season two you can see it in the background when they have scenes set there.[/quote] Welcome back, J-Man...I have never looked for the photo, but I will now. As for PLAGUE, I had forgotten but that does not make it sound like he is there OR gone...just sort of an informational piece about Ralph's bad immune system.
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Post by jopierce on Dec 29, 2006 22:25:37 GMT -5
Good catch!!
I still prefer to think he was abducted by Bill's ex wife, and they are now living in the trailer in Vegas with her new husband, Larry...
Hey, weird theory, but it's got some merits...
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Post by billswoman on Dec 29, 2006 22:28:59 GMT -5
Ah, HD made me think of something... Pam was ORIGINALLY the divorce attorney, but then she and Ralph became... involved... so she had to drop out, due to conflict of interest.
So, she started doing Corporate law instead.
Wait, was she a divorce attorney? Or working only on the custody case? Or are the two usually combined with the same attorney? I know nothing of such things, having never needed either (thank goodness).
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 29, 2006 22:36:11 GMT -5
Ah, HD made me think of something... Pam was ORIGINALLY the divorce attorney, but then she and Ralph became... involved... so she had to drop out, due to conflict of interest. So, she started doing Corporate law instead. Wait, was she a divorce attorney? Or working only on the custody case? Or are the two usually combined with the same attorney? I know nothing of such things, having never needed either (thank goodness). My years in law taught me that you can varying specializations...and divorce law and child custody usually are two facets of one case...so I think her firm probably handled cases like that and as a worker bee, she got some and did quite well. I am sure she did not have to give up Ralph, but I think her promotion mandated it.
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