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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 15, 2008 20:47:44 GMT -5
MUPPET BABIES? I liked CAPTAIN PLANET. GAH proved that a catchy theme song can make a show be remembered...even if the substance is not. ;D
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Post by nsqueen119 on Sept 15, 2008 21:48:47 GMT -5
One word, my friend. DuckTales. And Garfield and Friends kicked the crap out of Captain Planet. He talked about dragging things into the street to be shot. His cynical humour made me into the sarcastic jerk I am. Without Garfield, I might not have had the coping mechanisms to keep me from becoming like the Captain Planet kids, or worse... one of the Power Rangers. And, as for catchy themes, the Power Rangers theme had, what, five words? Saved By The Bell + UltramanX5 + Voltron - any semblance of coherence = Power Rangers.
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Post by Nicol on Sept 15, 2008 22:33:54 GMT -5
One word, my friend. DuckTales. And Garfield and Friends kicked the crap out of Captain Planet. He talked about dragging things into the street to be shot. His cynical humour made me into the sarcastic jerk I am. Without Garfield, I might not have had the coping mechanisms to keep me from becoming like the Captain Planet kids, or worse... one of the Power Rangers. And, as for catchy themes, the Power Rangers theme had, what, five words? Saved By The Bell + UltramanX5 + Voltron - any semblance of coherence = Power Rangers. Duck Tales rocked!!! Garfield too
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Post by MelMac on Sept 15, 2008 22:54:17 GMT -5
One word, my friend. DuckTales. And Garfield and Friends kicked the crap out of Captain Planet. He talked about dragging things into the street to be shot. His cynical humour made me into the sarcastic jerk I am. Without Garfield, I might not have had the coping mechanisms to keep me from becoming like the Captain Planet kids, or worse... one of the Power Rangers. And, as for catchy themes, the Power Rangers theme had, what, five words? Saved By The Bell + UltramanX5 + Voltron - any semblance of coherence = Power Rangers. Power Ranger's theme - the original one - had maximum nine words strung together. "Go, go Power Rangers, you Mighty Morphin Power Rangers." That number increased as seasons went on - Power Rangers Zeo onward has had at least some actual song in there (but that term is used loosely). And YES - the first time I saw Power Rangers, I went "Why the heck did they rip off 'Voltron' for this?" Too similar to each other in full fighting form - especially the head and chest plate. Yes - Garfield and Friends was quite fun for its cynical humor. I also liked M*A*S*K and a couple of other cartoons that were slightly hokey, but it was usually at the end when they had to do their public service announcement.
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Post by nsqueen119 on Sept 16, 2008 9:35:57 GMT -5
Then you must certainly remember the Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue. It was the PSA to end all PSAs, hosted by George (senior) and Barbara Bush. There were colourful characters, songs, and a whole lot of talk about marijuana. In fact, Simon the chipmunk and Bugs Bunny knew more about illegal substances than I did, and there is something not-so-wholesome about that. If I want a constant PSA, I'll stick with Punky Brewster, thanks.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 16, 2008 9:43:42 GMT -5
Then you must certainly remember the Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue. It was the PSA to end all PSAs, hosted by George (senior) and Barbara Bush. There were colourful characters, songs, and a whole lot of talk about marijuana. In fact, Simon the chipmunk and Bugs Bunny knew more about illegal substances than I did, and there is something not-so-wholesome about that. If I want a constant PSA, I'll stick with Punky Brewster, thanks. Yeah, I liked Punky Brewster - at least the live action version. The biggest tearjerker one was Henry being in the hospital having had a heart attack after seeing his photo store burned down and Punky live with a foster family at the time. The mom was so stuffy, and the dad hen-pecked. Punky was miserable, doubly when the woman wanted to adopt her. Fortunately, the dad prevailed and told his wife NO (complete with the happy dance of finally doing what he wanted to do for years) and gave Punky a piggy-back ride to the car to go see Henry. (And, I'd rather see Bugs and Simon know more about drugs than actually - like some shows, turn them into a more mature version that just seems wrong. They've done that with "The Flintstones" and "Scooby Doo" at times ).
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 16, 2008 11:01:23 GMT -5
I liked a lot of cartoons. I liked how POPEYE taught us that vegetables can always help us kick some butt.
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Post by nsqueen119 on Sept 16, 2008 14:16:56 GMT -5
No, dear, it taught me to never screw with the guys who can open a tin by squeezing it, and swallow the entire contents of spinach. Have you ever tried cooked spinach? It's worse than dirt! I lacked a fondness for the 80s penchant to take existing successful cartoon franchises and make them 'kids.' 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo' and the 'Flintstone Kids' are the two that jump to mind. (Though I loved Muppet Babies, perhaps the others took a page from the Muppets and jumped on the miniaturisation bandwagon.) I miss my heyday for cartoons. We had some great stuff, but there was a big enough selection, that you could have your favourites and ignore the rest. And, Mel, darlin', I loved Punky Brewster. I even enjoyed watching it again when it came out on DVD, and, honestly, there aren't many shows that can stay that fresh over all these years. Mind you I don't remember watching GAH, though I recall seeing a guy in a cape and red jammies, but uh... Let's say that my cognizance wasn't achieved at that time.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 16, 2008 14:20:45 GMT -5
POPEYE was still awesome. A PUP NAMED SCOOBY DOO was just a spoof of the original for fun. Some old cartoons are great, but some suck...just like most now.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 16, 2008 18:39:03 GMT -5
No, dear, it taught me to never screw with the guys who can open a tin by squeezing it, and swallow the entire contents of spinach. Have you ever tried cooked spinach? It's worse than dirt! I lacked a fondness for the 80s penchant to take existing successful cartoon franchises and make them 'kids.' 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo' and the 'Flintstone Kids' are the two that jump to mind. (Though I loved Muppet Babies, perhaps the others took a page from the Muppets and jumped on the miniaturisation bandwagon.) I miss my heyday for cartoons. We had some great stuff, but there was a big enough selection, that you could have your favourites and ignore the rest. And, Mel, darlin', I loved Punky Brewster. I even enjoyed watching it again when it came out on DVD, and, honestly, there aren't many shows that can stay that fresh over all these years. Mind you I don't remember watching GAH, though I recall seeing a guy in a cape and red jammies, but uh... Let's say that my cognizance wasn't achieved at that time. I'm probably one of the few who likes cooked spinach, but it's best with something like Eggs Florentine or Santa Fe Spinach (haven't been able to replicate it yet though ) There were so many shows I remember watching growing up, such as "Out of this World," "Small Wonder," "The Love Boat," "Hotel" (To a point), and "Punky Brewster." "Falcon Crest" when we would watch it (rare) scared me a lot because of the falcon turning its head to the camera at the end of the title sequence. Now I watch it, and it's not nearly as bad - it's silly I let the falcon scare me (and mind you I was young). But, none of them - even "The Love Boat" hold the distinction "GAH" does. It's the first show I remember watching and remembered clearly scenes from the pilot - and I was 2 at the time. Unlike some of the shows above, I remembered watching "GAH" when it first aired to when the DVDs came out in 2005 - WITHOUT watching it once between '83 and 2005. Not bad for a show that ran 43 episodes.
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Post by Nicol on Sept 19, 2008 16:23:45 GMT -5
What about GI Joe, then you had GEM and HE-MAN, the master of the universe. My all time Fav Thundercats.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 19, 2008 18:10:01 GMT -5
What about GI Joe, then you had GEM and HE-MAN, the master of the universe. My all time Fav Thundercats. Didn't watch "GI Joe" much. I did like "Jem" and even had the doll complete with the blinking earings. "He-Man" was another favorite of mine. I also liked "She-Ra" and wanted to get the dress up set (never did though). Oh, yes... "Thundercats" is probably one of my all-time faves though (along with "M.A.S.K.") I remember watching that in the hospital the day I had to have my adenoids out. That probably was the one thing that kept a 7-year-old calm at the time when I still didn't quite understand why I was going to have them taken out. :-\
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Post by MelMac on Jul 27, 2011 12:22:26 GMT -5
I shudder at the thought of Bill Maxwell trading rounds with a few thugs, and at the same time explaining to Sarah how a gun actually works! "okay, kid...BLAM, BLAM...see as I pull the trigger..BLAM, BLAM...the hammer pulls back...BLAM, BLAM"
I just read this again from Greenguy's original comments, and have to say... that if they had him do that, Bill probably would explain it like that to Sarah because he'd be greatly annoyed she asked him that. I could actually hear him say it that way in his sarcastic tone.
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Post by herald7 on Jul 28, 2011 7:51:59 GMT -5
Actually that would have some amusing possibilities there, lol. That's the only way to make education on TV work without it seeming pretentious and obnoxious really.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 28, 2011 20:38:07 GMT -5
I have to agree with herald. ;D I think that HEROINE just had the wrong premise in mind. I still think the two hour script might have endeared it more to everyone.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 29, 2011 9:33:50 GMT -5
Reading the FULL script? - No, because they go on and treat Bill horribly, implying he's not even going to be the partner long term afterall. That was disrespectful to Culp who was the only one available and even was on record saying he'd come back only if the replacement was a female suit wearer. (He'd obviously come back if Katt had returned to the role of Ralph full time).
And I still maintain they needed a comedian such as Lucille Ball - one who could effectively do comedy but the kind that was being funny by NOT TRYING to be. What harmed Mary Ellen Stuart I think is that she is a very serious dramatic actress, so trying comedy she went at it comedically.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 29, 2011 18:13:24 GMT -5
It could have been a nice set-up too if Culp had been replaced. He could have trained his replacement. Too bad Carlisle wasn't the new partner. ;D
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Post by MelMac on Jul 29, 2011 22:44:23 GMT -5
Eh, don't know. Besides - Bill Maxwell really is the only saving grace of that pilot once Ralph and Pam left.
I sadly think our sidekick would've been Sarah, and we'd ended up with a "Voyagers!" type series where we a. don't travel in time and fix it, b. a suit that solves everything right every time (I mean, the only thing Holly had trouble with was the flying and even there she was able to flatten someone upon landing) and c. an annoying kid pretty much smart mouthing or adoring her adult friend at various times.
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Post by herald7 on Jul 30, 2011 6:53:22 GMT -5
I don't even think it was the actresses' fault; it was the way the part was written. The character was too perfect and too eager to be a super hero. Right there there's less drama and conflict. The only way to save it would have been to have Holly eventually get sick of being superhero after all, lol.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 30, 2011 12:46:57 GMT -5
True, but IMHO the best scenes Mary Ellen Stuart has are the ones where she has to be more serious. When she has to try and be funny, it doesn't work. The one time where the humor works best is the training sequence to the chat between Holly and Bill at the car. This case, the bit where Holly is freaking out about the holograph, not paying attention to Bill's explanation and the like WORKED.
Then again - at least the pilot did emmulate the show. I remember someone trying to resurrect the show a few years ago from "GAHeroine" and it failed. They didn't get it on time and from the looks of things it was no where near the charm of the original show. (I don't even think he knew what the show was about from the little we did see).
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