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Post by jopierce on Jul 24, 2006 22:26:28 GMT -5
Well, at least he F*cked her and with her first. Hey, if I don't see no photos, it never happened.
Now, believe me, I have searched the internet for those photos... but nothing. Except for billswoman's little fan fic. So I don't think it happened...
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Post by billswoman on Sept 12, 2006 12:14:24 GMT -5
I posted this on Culpalicious, but thought it'd stir up some interesting convo on this GAH board:
There seems to be an awful lot of discontent about our man Maxwell being with one Ms. O'Neil, played by the lovely Dixie Carter.
Granted, I'd probably picture Bill being enamored of someone else, but I still love this episode, and if people have read my Lilacs Series, I like "Kim" O'Neil as well (that's the name I gave her, because for some reason while watching Lilacs for the first time in years, I thought that was her name.)
Any way, here are the reasons I love this episode...
1. It was WRITTEN and DIRECTED by Robert Culp. Period.
2. ROBERT CULP HIMSELF told my friend IRL that this is his favorite GAH episode. She told me herself. No lie.
3. We learn about a new suit power: animal control.
4. RC remembered in his writing that Bill can share in holographs with Ralph. This little trick wasn't used nearly as often as it should have been, after "Now You See It."
5. Bill gets to score. Okay, we don't even see them KISS in this episode, but there are many subtle innuendoes throughout, which is typical of Culp's writing style.
6. I MUST love it, because after 20+ years of not seeing GAH, this was the only episode that I remembered the title of, although I was shocked, dismayed and pleased when I watched it again in late July 2005 (the first one I grabbed when I discovered the abovementioned friend's Season Two set of DVDs) that RC Himself had written and directed it. I have no idea how I missed those two little facts.
7. We learn Bill had a wife.
8. We get to watch Bill get his ribs taped.
If I can't picture Dixie Carter/O'Neil as the true love of Bill Maxwell's life, who could I? I don't know yet. I know, the obvious answer is "me, of course." I'll have to ponder on Maxwell's ideal woman. In the meantime, I'll stick with the fleeting O'Neil. She was in one ep, then gone again in the next season's premier of "Divorce Venusian Style." What happened? I dunno. I conjectured she was offed by the bad guys, but that's just my interpretation. Just like the big debate of "Whatever happened to Mrs. Maxwell?", we will never know the fate of Ms. O'Neil.
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Post by jopierce on Sept 12, 2006 12:45:47 GMT -5
Oh, you had to bring it over to this board. You just had to. Don't make me set up that poll here, too!
Ok, maybe I will...
Good post, billswoman. Nice insight, and personal opinions.
I like the episode in theory, but I just hate that character. If anyone is interested, visit my thread "Why I Hate Lilacs."
billswoman.proboards74.com/index.cgi?board=bill&action=display&thread=1146850336
It is more than just opinions on O'Neil; there are some other things I have opinions about.
As for Bill's ideal woman? Well, actually, it's me... didn't you know?
Hey, billswoman, put up your dukes!
Ok. Confession time.
It may be a surprise, but if the real me was ever to meet Bill Maxwell, we probably would not hit really it off. LOL!
There would certainly be some fun common ground:
both like to hike through the desert; incessant use of wit and sarcasm; tragic noir-esque lives; weekends NOT spent on the beach; tough guy attitudes; skepticism of anything not by the books; and lots of margarita drinking!
Who knows, maybe even some "sexual sparks" would fly!
But I am actually much more of a "Ralph" in real life. Helping kittens out of trees, teach the children, "bakesales for guns" posters in my room, that sort of thing.
Then again, maybe opposites attract?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 13, 2006 18:50:36 GMT -5
I like the episode in that it shows Bill having REAL vulnerabilities...the little green guy one is just too off the mark. I like the idea that he could love someone who was soooo wrong. Mainly, the plot holes and everything else I mentioned bugged me. I like how his wife being dead or alive was left open-ended.
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Post by jopierce on Sept 14, 2006 6:57:18 GMT -5
I like the idea that he could love someone who was soooo wrong. Hmmmm... Bill has to be with someone who is, essentially, wrong for him. Somehow I see that logic... In his tragic Noir-esque life, that makes sense.
And, well, yes, if then the truth must be known, Bill Maxwell and I are really REALLY wrong for each other.
I now see what the attraction is...
Sorry billswoman. Time to face the facts. Bill is just WAY too perfect for you. It will never work. Not in a million years.
Here's what I think. I think you need to go find yourself some Ralph...
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Post by billswoman on Sept 14, 2006 7:55:28 GMT -5
Oh lordy, I'm so glad I didn't view this for the first time at work! You trying to kill the competition with humor?
Hinkley Homey... yeah,the only thing I have in common with that is the letter H.
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Post by jopierce on Sept 14, 2006 8:47:29 GMT -5
Gotta get rid of my competition, some how! I am not above dirty tricks...
or cheap tricks.
Shut up, MyTatuo. I know what you're thinking...
Ok, billswoman, you still haven't commented on my new subtitle, avatar caption, and my location... Love the pun...
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Post by billswoman on Sept 14, 2006 9:53:25 GMT -5
LOL that's a good one, Wild Bill's favorite!
Ha, I'm a Super AGENT! You're a Homey, being a SUPERHERO.
Congrats, btw. (I think we need to take this to the Bug Bin, or off-line maybe?)
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Post by MelMac on Sept 14, 2006 10:32:47 GMT -5
Don't worry, guys, as long as you follow KICK (Keep it Clean Kid), you can go OT here: at a minimum. My view about Bill and his wife on screen is that she passed away, and it was very sudden or tragic that Bill had to hide any memories of her from plain view. A good example is billswoman's Christmas story, which I think is one of the best angst stories there (and I use that in true sense of the word too, given Bill's reluctance to tell Ralph and Pam). It's not quite the same, but here's a pretty good example. I've noticed that with Dad and his mom (my grandmother). He keeps a lot of her tangible memories hidden from view. The only thing he displays in public is his college class ring, the last thing she helped him purchase. It's a way for him to remember her without it being too painful.
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Sept 14, 2006 15:49:45 GMT -5
8. We get to watch Bill get his ribs taped. LOL! Classic.
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Post by jopierce on Feb 13, 2007 8:29:43 GMT -5
Hey! wait.... a.... minute....
You know, I have always wondered what happened to O'Neil. I had always assumed that she jumped bail, leaving Bill out in the cold with no life savings.
Then this morning I realized that Shewhocannotbementioned could not have jumped bail and ran off.
What have I been thinking?
Ralph would never have let her!
If she disappears, he just vibes in on her, he gets her, and there you are. He would never let his friend loose all his savings - not if he could stop it. I could imagine Bill saying something like "Eh, don't worry about it, kid" as he gets all choked up inside, feeling used and abused in his King of Angst sort of way. But even so, Ralph's got the suit and he can do whatever he wants with it...
So here's a new scenario.
*Bill bails her out. *They spend a few days/nights together. *As soon as Bill is not looking, she hits the Road to Red Square. *Bill drops by her place for some afternoon delight, finds her bags packed. He had half expected it. *He picks up the phone to call Ralph. "Yeah kid. She's gone." *Ralph takes it personally - and goes on a mission. *He shows up at her place and vibes in on her.
"Bill! She's at the airport." "Who cares, kid..." "Bill! You can't just let her get away..."
*Ralph drags depressed and angst ridden Bill to LAX * There she is, on line at the Aeroflot counter. She's got a cheesy wig and fake passport. * Just as she hands in her ticket and is about to board the plane, Bill grabs her elbow, dragging her back.
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Post by jopierce on Feb 13, 2007 8:31:45 GMT -5
Aeroflot....
One doesn't get to use that word in everyday conversation, you know.
I flew Aeroflot once. Lost my luggage.
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Post by MelMac on Feb 13, 2007 14:50:28 GMT -5
Aeroflot....
One doesn't get to use that word in everyday conversation, you know.
I flew Aeroflot once. Lost my luggage. Sounds like the time I flew Southwest when we had a long layover in Dallas. Finally get on a plane, and the guys are trying to rush things loading luggage... and they punch a hole in the side of a plane. Then, I had to wait as a second plane docked, for the other group at that gate, and to top it off, they had to fly to Corpus Christi to avoid the storm, telling us "We have enough gas to make it to Houston" (Well, that's what they should've just said instead of joking about it... like they did the knocked out plane. ) But, back OT, I agree Ralph wouldn't let her leave because of what she put Bill through. She'd be brought back, either willingly or not. I think, given that Ralph knew Bill paid big bucks to bail her out, he'd resort to knocking her out to get her to come back if necessary. Wouldn't blame him one bit given what she tried to do.
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Post by jopierce on Feb 13, 2007 15:38:48 GMT -5
Ralph would knock her out? Heck... I'D knock her out!!
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Post by jopierce on Feb 13, 2007 15:39:59 GMT -5
Here's my next question...
Jo: Just what part of Russia are the O'Neil's from?
O'Neil: And what part of Italy are the Pierce's from?
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Post by herald7 on Oct 30, 2011 10:03:32 GMT -5
The fact that this episode was written by Robert Culp is interesting to me because of the way Ralph is presented. I feel like at times we're seeing Ralph the way Maxwell sees him. The whole idea of Ralph becoming visible when he's shocked had an almost paternalistic vibe to it, like a father saying, "Now son, you know too much excitement isn't good for you." Lol. And the part about Ralph "getting sick being close to all these guns." I mean I know Ralph's the show's resident liberal but this sort of wide eyed, innocent reaction was a bit off for him. Normally if Ralph was annoyed by something conservative, he'd react in a more indignant or outraged manner. Again, I feel like we're watching Ralph from Maxwell's point of view, where he's this naive kid who doesn't understand grown up issues, lol. In reality Ralph probably is reacting in character, but all Bill hears is, "Oh my, the guns!" Lol It makes me wonder how Maxwell would have been portrayed if William Katt had written an episode!
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Post by prometheus74 on Nov 2, 2011 17:27:33 GMT -5
It's not one of my favorite episodes. However, it's nice to see Maxwell find a love interest. However, the whole thing becomes a tad too sentimental for TGAH-----at times, it doesn't feel like I'm watching an episode of TGAH, but some serious drama.
The acting is top-notch, though.
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Post by herald7 on Nov 2, 2011 19:19:46 GMT -5
However, the whole thing becomes a tad too sentimental for TGAH-----at times, it doesn't feel like I'm watching an episode of TGAH, but some serious drama. You know what, I actually thought the same thing! I guess it's because the episode is all about Maxwell and his world, which is the essentially the "real" world as opposed to aliens and super suits. And sometimes that was interesting (certainly the scene with Bill's girlfriend crying was done well). But the problem was that Ralph's story suddenly felt out of place and strange in a "serious" drama. ::shrugs:: Nice for one episode, but it wouldn't have worked for the whole series. There was a ton of "serious dramas" on TV at the time. But only one Greatest American Hero.
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Post by MelMac on Nov 2, 2011 22:39:26 GMT -5
Out of all 44 episodes (including "GAHeroine"), I've always felt that both Culp scripts were a bit too serious for the realm of "Greatest American Hero." The one I felt closest to the show itself was one that wasn't used - "Long Fall at 10, 2 and 4."
That's not saying either were bad but they just felt out of place.
At least here I felt it was truer to real life scenarios with Ralph having to deal with things as well. "Vanity" I actually felt some of the alien/suit stuff was forced into it - and of course my fave is Ralph, so yeah, to say that shows how it just was out there.
Then again - I loved "Lilacs" if for anything to see poor Ralph have to dress in a satin dressing gown and fancy hat - and actually look pretty decent in it. The long scene of Ralph fighting the bad guys while invisible though tends to be for me more of a detraction (not that he's doing this invisible, but it just goes on too long that it gets annoying).
(BTW - I know I haven't posted a lot lately due to real life scenarios and the like, but it's great to come back and post on this board where overall we're respectful in our debates, even if lively and sometimes defensive of our favorites. I've had the misfortune of being attacked recently in another fandom for having a fact wrong, but then the person take a potshot at me for even making a comment.)
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Nov 3, 2011 7:47:18 GMT -5
Out of all 44 episodes (including "GAHeroine"), I've always felt that both Culp scripts were a bit too serious for the realm of "Greatest American Hero." I think that's the same way ABC felt as well, which is why the first ep aired so late and the second ep never aired (originally) at all. Me personally, I've always liked Lilacs, but it took me a while to finally warm to Vanity.
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