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Post by jopierce on Sept 29, 2008 12:21:07 GMT -5
BY EVERYONE'S INTENTIONS, it ('GAHeroine') belongs to the ordinary *GAH UNIVERSE*. There is no REAL reason to dismiss it.
Um... no.
The one thing you will learn on these forums is that no one really speaks for anyone else. We LOVE to debate, and recognize some of the more senior folks here who have lots of GAH-ledge (GAH Knowledge), but we agree to disagree, and we respect each other's right to disagree.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 29, 2008 12:21:53 GMT -5
EVERYONE = CANNELL, KATT, CULP, GAH WRITERS.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 29, 2008 12:38:58 GMT -5
They might have their disagreements about it too, though.
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Post by mmderdekea on Sept 29, 2008 23:52:13 GMT -5
This is my conclusion: BY EVERYONE'S INTENTIONS, it ('GAHeroine') belongs to the ordinary *GAH UNIVERSE*. There is no REAL reason to dismiss it. BUT... if you're upset the way Ralph's story arc was given closure, you can assume it's an alternative universe (MORE FOOD for great fan fiction stories - RALPH Vs. RALPH). I don't mean to be rude, GIH, but MY intention is NOT to include it in the GAH universe. I do not want to assume "alternate universe" either, as I dislike reducing things disliked into some other make believe universe. So, GAHeroine simply is not and never will be canon to me, in THIS GAH universe. I think maybe you might wish to reconsider stating everything as if you were the "decision maker". There are 10 opinions for every one topic discussed on the board and no one can ever speak for the entire bunch of us misfits who take all of this too seriously, or tell folks how they should believe or disbelieve something. At least, I'd appreciate you not speaking for me, and I am, as it stands, part of "Everyone" here. Thanks! Mona
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Post by MyTatuo on Sept 30, 2008 0:02:46 GMT -5
He actually clarified Everyone to mean everyone involved in the making of Heroine: EVERYONE = CANNELL, KATT, CULP, GAH WRITERS. Turns out he didn't mean he was speaking for Everyone here on the board...
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Post by MelMac on Sept 30, 2008 0:26:15 GMT -5
He actually clarified Everyone to mean everyone involved in the making of Heroine: EVERYONE = CANNELL, KATT, CULP, GAH WRITERS. Turns out he didn't mean he was speaking for Everyone here on the board... I agree - I had gotten the same gist without the clarification. Also - to be fair to Tiziano (TGIH), he has admitted to all of us that he is from Italy and does not know the English language very well. I can tell he has this problem when he talks to me via PM as well as what I read on the board. Knowing this, I know there will be times that he might say something that inadvertently reads as "statement of fact" and not opinion. As he learns more from us, he'll learn more and have an easier time communicating. I say from personal experience - I have had similar language/communication barriers in my past, having had roommates from South Korea and Taiwan who were at the college to take ESLI (English as a Second Language - International). Besides, even I have problems with my communication skills at times, and I've spoken English all my life. So, this might help out on issues like this - since we all debate and might not easily be understood by others: If there's a question about something we say, we should ask the person for clarification, either on board, or if necessary, in PM. That way, there's not as many miscommunications.
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Post by MST3Claye on Sept 30, 2008 1:38:38 GMT -5
Misunderstanding is what it seems to me. My only question about it, GAHeroine was a test pilot which never aired till after the syndications. (which btw, and almost proudly I state that I have YET to see GAHeroine. ) In this case, does it mean that it wasn't canon at first but since I guess it's been aired and put on the DVDs that it's now canon? Sort of like how Lucas can change the Star Wars movies as he pleases to fit his wishes? It'd be nice to get the gang's comment on it. Especially Cannell. BTW, I don't believe I've said it yet. Welcome to the board GIH!!!
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 30, 2008 8:15:47 GMT -5
Claye: Just because it did not air until syndication does not mean it is not canon. If that were the case, the last four episodes of season three would be treated in the same manner. They were made at one point and then added into the rotation later.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 30, 2008 8:28:35 GMT -5
I guess the one argument that can be made against "GAHeroine" being canon was that it was a test pilot not meant to be shown to the public to begin with. But, the did it, so the canon is up in the air.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 30, 2008 8:38:05 GMT -5
Claye: Just because it did not air until syndication does not mean it is not canon. If that were the case, the last four episodes of season three would be treated in the same manner. They were made at one point and then added into the rotation later. I think Derek is very very very right. Said that, hope my English will improve from time to time, but I also think it's actually pretty good. It's just that, sometimes, it's very hard to "express" the various shades of meaning by using English. Misunderstanding happens.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 30, 2008 8:40:34 GMT -5
I must add this:
What about the upcoming William Katt's comic book and animated series? We ALREADY know that the movie will be a "reboot". What about the former two? *CANON*? Will they (comic and animated series) ignore HEROINE? Who knows!
I still think that, as far as Cannell writes and/or create the concept, it's canon. That means that HEROINE is canon, the comic book and the animated series are two different continuities...
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Post by jopierce on Sept 30, 2008 8:46:55 GMT -5
GIH - I think everyone is IMPRESSED with your English. (If I had to post in Italian, it would be molto buffo!!)
But I think what is ruffling people's feathers is the idea that there is one truth, or one person's opinion means more than another's. In general, we tend to be more flexible around here. We debate, but that means we tend to not close the door on other people's opinions.
When we JOKE about being our opinions being perfect or right, we just use this smilie to let people know we are teasing. That is fun. Thinking others are trying to be the boss is not.
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Now, there are some things that we know are facts, right or wrong. Who said what... what actors were on the show... details like that. A few people (Green Guy & J-Man among others) are brilliant and have LOTS of knowledge of the show that others don't have. But we all know the difference of opinion versus fact.
Take a look at Green Guy's episode guide. It is brilliant, with lots of facts. We all respect that knowledge. But then there is a rating system attached to it that we don't ALL agree with. That's just his opinion. So even when Green Guy has an opinion, there will be differences.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 30, 2008 8:48:57 GMT -5
I also add this: What about the upcoming comic book and/or the animated series? We ALREADY know the movie will be a "reboot". What about the former ones? *CANON*? Will they ignore HEROINE? Who knows! I still think that, as far as Cannell writes and/or create the concept, it's canon. It's both - the comic book is coming out in I believe November, the animated shorts after the start of the new year. The comic book too is a slight update of the pilot. You can see pics of the ashcan at www.cannell.com/ and click on the preview tab. One thing you'll notice is Bill has a cell phone. As far as I can see - "GAHeroine" will not be considered canon; however, these are set before then so that is not a 100 percent certain. I would presume, however, that given SJC was not fond of the idea of Bill teamed up with a woman to begin with, he probably will ignore it.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 30, 2008 8:57:29 GMT -5
Wait? Who is writing the comic book and the A-series? Cannell the Man? Katt the Fabulous Katted Hero?
Anyway, Jo, many thanks for your sincere compliments... I'm starting to love you. Not as much as I love Mel, but almost... I'm open to everyone else's opinions...
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Post by MelMac on Sept 30, 2008 9:08:46 GMT -5
Wait? Who is writing the comic book and the A-series? Cannell the Man? Katt the Fabulous Katted Hero? Anyway, Jo, many thanks for your sincere compliments... I'm starting to love you. Not as much as I love Mel, but almost... I'm open to everyone else's opinions... Might be easiest to go to the Catastrophic Comics board to figure it out, well that or one of the several interviews on YouTube. From my understanding, Katt and others are going to write the scripts, but Cannell has guidance and their blessing. The only stipulation I know of for sure was that the first three comics were to re-acquaint the public to how Ralph got the suit, Bill was his teammate and Pam the "skirt" or Ralph's love interest. Also, Arcana Comics is helping produce the "GAH" comics with Catastrophic Comics.
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Post by jopierce on Sept 30, 2008 10:13:29 GMT -5
Anyway, Jo, many thanks for your sincere compliments... I'm starting to love you. Not as much as I love Mel, but almost... I'm open to everyone else's opinions... Oh, GIH hasn't been introduced to Josie's catch phrase, has he?
Share the love.
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Post by mmderdekea on Sept 30, 2008 11:30:34 GMT -5
No, no, no, not with Bill. I won't! I won't! You can't make me. Bill, make the scary Noir girl go away. Yes, the one that does all those heavy breathing phone calls. It's just you and me, Fed. NO sharing! Mona
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Post by MelMac on Sept 30, 2008 11:55:51 GMT -5
Hey, at least Ms B shares Ralph with others... but makes sure no one steals his clothes except for her.
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Post by The Greatest Italian Hero on Sept 30, 2008 13:57:08 GMT -5
My personal 'GAH' catchprases are:
1- RALPH DOES IT BETTER THAN ITALIANS. ;D LOL.
2- I'm not a Flying Red Centre Man. Just a fan.
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Post by MelMac on Sept 30, 2008 18:55:55 GMT -5
My personal 'GAH' catchprases are: 1- RALPH DOES IT BETTER THAN ITALIANS. ;D LOL. 2- I'm not a Flying Red Centre Man. Just a fan. I like the first catchphrase - but it's a bit of self-depreciating humor though if you read it in another way. The second one I don't understand though Tiziano - what does Flying Red Centre Man mean?
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