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Post by MelMac on Dec 23, 2008 21:59:58 GMT -5
Well, There were liberties taken to modernize it to today's world. (Like today the teacher would never drive the bus.) Yep, they wouldn't - at least a school that size (some of the smaller towns here have no choice). Now, I do wonder about things such as school vans (i.e. "My Heroes ...."), because when I was in school if a teacher had a CDL (Commercial drivers license) for a bus they could drive the vans. I agree - Katt and Chris did a great job with the writing, and I'm sure SJC is also pleased. Sure there was a delay, but they did follow through - even if there was a slight delay in shipping.
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Post by mmderdekea on Dec 24, 2008 11:32:37 GMT -5
Good point about the bus driver in the updated day and age. I hadn't thought of that. Makes sense.
I'm not sure I'm very happy about a "recurring villain". I am leery about recurring Gabriel's Army, but am willing to see how it plays out. Spraying someone with blood and having hybrid eagles attack and eat them is not really the best way for me to introduce them. I found that extremely goofy--are they planning on releasing hybrid eagles on people, spraying them with blood first? Oookay....Plus, it's odd to have it be supposedly realistic for this time and then to add something still quite fantastical and not really "real."
I know, I know, Ms. B, everything related to Katt is a Utopian Paradise for you, but I like to analyze things with a non-Katt is perfect eye. This is a great first issue, true, but I hope it doesn't go off into bizarro land.
Mona
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Post by MelMac on Dec 24, 2008 12:06:14 GMT -5
The first three books are based on the pilot, and there will be some twists and deviations. Plus, SJC has final say on how the comics will pan out, so if he says "no," that's where it ends.
The eagles... well, given shows like "CSI" and how they have people die in them, this doesn't bother me too much. It's one of those things that I'll have to see the comic myself before I can pass any opinions about where it will go.
I think too that for a comic where there's a lot of reps on the line (Katt, Connie, Culp, SJC, Folino, etc.), they did a very good job especially if it has sold out everywhere. Says a lot about Katt and Chris' writing skills, SJC's judgment, and even the artists' interpretation of the three. The artist apparently had an added challenge, make Ralph approximately 3 years younger than he was in the show (about 5 in Katt's real age at the time), as he is now 25 in the comic.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 24, 2008 12:18:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads-up, Mona. I was intrigued when the comics first came out, but I am not as stoked now. I was hoping to see the story that I have grown to love watching...even if there were minute changes like Ralph not driving the bus. However, based on your synopsis of it, I am not that intrigued anymore. Even though some might be naysayers and fuddy duddies, I appreciate the information you gave so I can make a more informed decision about what purchases to make. At the moment, this will not be one of them, although I might read them at some point. Thanks, Mona.
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Post by MST3Claye on Dec 24, 2008 12:30:39 GMT -5
They have to take liberties here and there. You also have to think it's somewhat required to somewhat update it for current times. I haven't had a chance to read it yet. Though from what I've skimmed through the pages, it looks REALLY good. Hey, a comic book for The Greatest American Hero after 25+ years! That's awesome!!
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Post by MelMac on Dec 24, 2008 12:32:50 GMT -5
Knowing there would be changes - and yes, some extreme given the endeavor, I am going to still go into the comics with an open mind, even now being spoiled.* Was pleasantly surprised with "Sparks," so I should be here too. That said, I do see what they mean by it being updated to present day. Some of these spoilers would fit along the lines of "CSI" deaths they have shown on TV. How the rest of the comics go will determine how good/bad of an idea this is. * We're currently trying to find ways to where spoilers can be hidden for those - however many or few - who do prefer to not be spoiled.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 24, 2008 12:38:35 GMT -5
They have to take liberties here and there. You also have to think it's somewhat required to somewhat update it for current times. I haven't had a chance to read it yet. Though from what I've skimmed through the pages, it looks REALLY good. Hey, a comic book for The Greatest American Hero after 25+ years! That's awesome!! Some liberties, yes. Overall though, the story today is just as strong as it was then in my opinion. Updating a few odds and ends like the bus driver is legitimate, but to go as far as they did? Why not chronicle some of the stories exactly and then expand into this much fantasy in the new stories that were not episodes? On another note, I find the idea of forced censorship on this site sad.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 24, 2008 12:51:33 GMT -5
They have to take liberties here and there. You also have to think it's somewhat required to somewhat update it for current times. I haven't had a chance to read it yet. Though from what I've skimmed through the pages, it looks REALLY good. Hey, a comic book for The Greatest American Hero after 25+ years! That's awesome!! Some liberties, yes. Overall though, the story today is just as strong as it was then in my opinion. Updating a few odds and ends like the bus driver is legitimate, but to go as far as they did? Why not chronicle some of the stories exactly and then expand into this much fantasy in the new stories that were not episodes? On another note, I find the idea of forced censorship on this site sad. Hiding spoilers on the board is NOT forced censorship. It's a way of keeping things hidden for those who do not want to be spoiled. That said, it's in discussion, and might not happen anyway.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 24, 2008 12:59:21 GMT -5
Some liberties, yes. Overall though, the story today is just as strong as it was then in my opinion. Updating a few odds and ends like the bus driver is legitimate, but to go as far as they did? Why not chronicle some of the stories exactly and then expand into this much fantasy in the new stories that were not episodes? On another note, I find the idea of forced censorship on this site sad. Hiding spoilers on the board is NOT forced censorship. It's a way of keeping things hidden for those who do not want to be spoiled. That said, it's in discussion, and might not happen anyway. If it is done without the consent of the person who posted, it IS forced censorship. If people do not realize that they read a thread about an upcoming production and it might be spoiled, no one can help that. Personally, I hope it does not happen. People have a right to post about things (good and bad) about the show, the characters, spin-offs, etc. If someone wants to post their opinions on the comics, they should feel free to do that here.
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Post by Ms Boku on Dec 24, 2008 14:05:00 GMT -5
Good point about the bus driver in the updated day and age. I hadn't thought of that. Makes sense. I'm not sure I'm very happy about a "recurring villain". I am leery about recurring Gabriel's Army, but am willing to see how it plays out. Spraying someone with blood and having hybrid eagles attack and eat them is not really the best way for me to introduce them. I found that extremely goofy--are they planning on releasing hybrid eagles on people, spraying them with blood first? Oookay....Plus, it's odd to have it be supposedly realistic for this time and then to add something still quite fantastical and not really "real." I know, I know, Ms. B, everything related to Katt is a Utopian Paradise for you, but I like to analyze things with a non-Katt is perfect eye. This is a great first issue, true, but I hope it doesn't go off into bizarro land. Mona Um not true about the Utopian statement. I am looking at the comic as what has been said by both Katt and Culp publicly. Therefore I understand the premise and where they are going with it. As far as Gabriel's army they will be reoccurring but (as I understand it) not in every issue. They have to retell the tale so the new people who haven't seen it will understand what is going on before they go on to the new ones.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 24, 2008 14:30:06 GMT -5
As far as Gabriel's army they will be reoccurring but in every issue. They have to retell the tale so the new people who haven't seen it will understand what is going on before they go on to the new ones. So they're recurring, but do you mean they will or won't be in every issue? I'm just trying to make sure I understand this clearly - as recurring implies only in a few comics, regular all the comics, i.e. Ralph, Bill, Pam (though apparently here more like 5/6 comics). Does make me wonder if this will be similar to what they plan for the movie though as well as if they're going to be going by the TV series canon for the animated shorts or this new canon.
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Post by Ms Boku on Dec 24, 2008 14:54:50 GMT -5
As far as Gabriel's army they will be reoccurring but in every issue. They have to retell the tale so the new people who haven't seen it will understand what is going on before they go on to the new ones. So they're recurring, but do you mean they will or won't be in every issue? I'm just trying to make sure I understand this clearly - as recurring implies only in a few comics, regular all the comics, i.e. Ralph, Bill, Pam (though apparently here more like 5/6 comics). Does make me wonder if this will be similar to what they plan for the movie though as well as if they're going to be going by the TV series canon for the animated shorts or this new canon. To the best of my knowledge no. I mean, look at all the other superheros don't fight the same villains every week or comic.
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Post by MelMac on Dec 24, 2008 15:11:27 GMT -5
So they're recurring, but do you mean they will or won't be in every issue? I'm just trying to make sure I understand this clearly - as recurring implies only in a few comics, regular all the comics, i.e. Ralph, Bill, Pam (though apparently here more like 5/6 comics). Does make me wonder if this will be similar to what they plan for the movie though as well as if they're going to be going by the TV series canon for the animated shorts or this new canon. To the best of my knowledge no. I mean, look at all the other superheros don't fight the same villains every week or comic. Ah, OK, just wanted to be clear on the issue.
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Post by Lauren on Dec 24, 2008 18:24:39 GMT -5
D'oh! Ahh, crap... I knew I shouldn't have popped into this thread until I got my issue. Argh! *runs away with her eyes covered*
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Post by mmderdekea on Dec 25, 2008 12:30:42 GMT -5
HD,
I really think you should get the comic for several reasons:
1. I tried to make clear that although there had been some plot changes it seemed it was done to expedite learning about the personalities of the main characters as quickly and thoroughly as possible, which was indeed successfully done in this issue. One can hope that the personality analyses and development of the characters continues to be so well done in succeeding episodes. I was particularly pleased at how well they targeted Bill, who innately has a more complicated character than the others and they pegged him perfectly. Great job to Chris and Katt for that.
2. We should spend $3 to support the whole resurgence of the TGAH franchise.
3. I am indeed very leery of recurring villains and also of the stupid goofiness of the presentation of Gabriel's Army so far, but it could progress in ways which redeem it. We shouldn't judge things too early.
As for Mel bothering me with numerous private emails about how wrong it was for me to do a brief synopsis of the story everyone knows front and back, giving little tidbits of the changes; give me a break. People on this list have to settle down about stuff like that; it's ridiculous to raise havoc about a few mentions of plot changes. I didn't ruin reading the comic for anyone. This is why so many posters have left this list, being dumped on and given unnecessary grief. The list is a shadow of what it was a year ago; perhaps some whole list introspection is needed to figure out why so many folks hardly post anymore.
Mona
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Dec 25, 2008 13:19:38 GMT -5
I might still get it, Mona, but it is not a high priority for me right now. For one, I doubt they sell it around here. Another is that I am not big on changes to things that were fine the first time. I will still try and find it though.
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Post by mmderdekea on Dec 25, 2008 13:23:49 GMT -5
I hope you do, Derek. I did not intend to chase folks away from reading it. I really want to support the project.
WHEN you do get it, let us know how you like it. I think overall you will enjoy it. Remember, the changes are just to the plot; the characterizations are the same. What's, really, more important--the people or the settings? The people of course. That's what we love about the show--the characters.
Mona
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Post by dolfyn on Dec 25, 2008 17:33:48 GMT -5
I think a spoilers function would be a good idea. I'm a member of a couple of other forums that have the function & it works very well. Readers can click on the spoiler tag if they want to see what was covered, but those who don't want to accidentally find out a plot point (or the like) aren't having to stay away from reading threads altogether. When a Mod on those forums feels something should be spoiler-tagged, they usually just gently suggest it to the poster. I'm really going to have to find a comic shop here & search for the TGAH comic! Feel the love. dolfyn. ;D
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Post by Lauren on Dec 26, 2008 0:43:26 GMT -5
There is a spoiler tag edit on the Proboards Coding board. That's how I got the tag on the WK forum.
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Post by mmderdekea on Dec 26, 2008 10:30:53 GMT -5
Derek,
I did buy the last comic available in Phoenix, but I preordered the #2 comic from that TFAW.com website. Whoever recommended that, thanks! Great help! They did not list #3 to preorder, or I would have done so. I'll check back there after #3. That way I don't have to fight the comic crowds around town. I suggest folks go there if their local shops are out already.
I still can't believe the on-going comments about me "spoiling" things, after I wrote this in capital letters: IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BOOK BEFORE BUYING, DO NOT READ THIS. If anyone is upset about CONTINUING to read on, I feel that is their responsibility, not mine. You could have stopped reading. Let's review my "spoilers":
John Plame on motorcycle killed Bill, cell phone message School guy Derek Bill bracelet, John's found in dirt. Tony gets into trouble. Appliances blow up. Odd death of bad guy. Same meeting of aliens
You're all right. Why buy the comic after you know the full story based on my statements above? All the intricate plot lines are already spilled out, right? All the exact dialogue, all the visuals, all the scene by scene details. (Not!) Let's move on.
Mona
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