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Post by Captain Marbles on Oct 11, 2007 10:53:39 GMT -5
The whole "field report exposition" thing. To whom was Bill Maxwell reporting, and why did he feel it necessary to give a full report on the magic jammies? That just makes no sense to me! Especially since it was a high ranking government official (The President!) who set them up and blew Ralph's cover in the first place!
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 11, 2007 11:49:55 GMT -5
Good point. It almost was like he was documenting it for his life memoirs or something later in life.
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Post by mmderdekea on Oct 11, 2007 12:23:57 GMT -5
Well, we know from "Heaven" that Bill was writing down everything in a personal journal. I love that about him!
But, yes, it almost intuited that Bill/Ralph were known to the government and were working either with them or with their allowance. We do see Bill has his own FBI office, and can spend hours searching for a new partner, without Carlisle all over his gorgeous tushy.
Mona
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Post by MelMac on Feb 25, 2008 0:15:05 GMT -5
Something I don't get either in "GAHeroine" is why Bill takes Holly for scenario training at a football field and does sports exercises. A. they're in town, so there's a risk she'd be seen in the suit using the super powers - which started Ralph's downfall to begin with, B. Bill would teach Holly serious powers like when he tried to get Ralph to use invisiblity, pyrokinesis, trying to freeze people in place, etc.
Plus, despite this was a spinoff attempt, most suit scenarios did not involve sports, and back then, Holly would be highly unlikely to play in semi-pro or pro baseball or football in a scenario, like Ralph did in "100 MPH fastball," or "Price is Right." There was possibly softball, but I do not know of a pro softball team back then (there is apparently one now though).
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Post by mmderdekea on Feb 25, 2008 12:05:39 GMT -5
Yeah, Melmac, That isn't explainable. It's just plain out and out stupid. At least in GAH, we had Ralph and Bill going way out of town, off dirt roads, around no one, to practice the suit--flying, setting things on fire, turning invisible. In the idiotic "Heroine", yeah, Bill uses some in town sports field....to kick footballs. (?) This after his PREVIOUS partner and best friend had to give up the suit because he was found out in public....so now Bill is practicing with his new partner in public... Mona
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Post by MelMac on Feb 25, 2008 12:33:51 GMT -5
I totally agree. It makes Holly look like she's a whiz at learning new suit powers and such while it makes Bill look like an idiot for the reasons mentioned (though, I do not see him as such. That also was poor writing. ). One of the funnier things I don't get is how does Holly's pants manage to rip apart when the bad guy just grabs her shirt at the beginning of the fight? It's possible that she'd wear a backless shirt under the long sleeve shirt (given that too is noticeable in the scene, the guy does not at any time grab her jeans. Only thing it does is make it look cheezy and a typical superhero show. That is not to mention make it where Holly looks perfect and that mere clothes couldn't stop her. That's part of the fun of the show too: Clothes tended to be a bane at times for Ralph, whether he lost them while flying or couldn't get them off to show the suit.
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Post by mmderdekea on Feb 25, 2008 20:34:51 GMT -5
Having Ralph struggle to get undressed was marvelous in GAH, especially when in a hurry. It was SO realistic having him fall to the ground with his pants caught on his shoes. Having him remember to put his clothes on over his suit was also funny, Bill having to remind him to do that numerous times. Having Holly's clothes rip a la "The Incredible Hulk" was ludicrous, because her muscles did not grow, it was all suit power. I hated that moment and thought, just as you did, that it was cheesy and reduced GAHeroine to some asinine show devoid of any practical realism.
Mona
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Feb 26, 2008 11:06:44 GMT -5
I think the scene at the stadium was ridiculous too, but not because of the scenarios...just because of the public venue. Bill knew that he had to teach someone from scratch this time and that he was the one that knew how the suit worked best. I think to some degree he was testing her to see if she could do it. He had seen what had happened with Ralph on the other powers and decided to start slower this time...hindsight being 20/20 and all.
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Post by MelMac on Feb 26, 2008 12:47:08 GMT -5
I think the scene at the stadium was ridiculous too, but not because of the scenarios...just because of the public venue. Bill knew that he had to teach someone from scratch this time and that he was the one that knew how the suit worked best. I think to some degree he was testing her to see if she could do it. He had seen what had happened with Ralph on the other powers and decided to start slower this time...hindsight being 20/20 and all. True, but push-ups and running in place just about every Average Joe can do, and she was definitely fit enough to do them. That part too is just silly.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Feb 26, 2008 13:07:23 GMT -5
To you, but maybe not to Bill. The suit would act differently on everyone and basic ideas to see what she can do and not do and how she does it makes a certain sort of sense to me.
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Post by MelMac on Feb 26, 2008 13:12:38 GMT -5
Still... that would make Bill a bit more shallow about the fairer sex than he ever was in the series if he felt that Holly couldn't do a simply push-up or run in place. I will, however, concede that baseball, jumping over the uprights of the football goal and hitting the tackle dummy at least are closer to tests for Holly though. Doesn't mean I still can't say they're silly.
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Mar 7, 2008 17:26:50 GMT -5
That whole 'exercise' scene makes me want to wretch, especially coming immediately after what was hands-down the best scene in Heroine... the awesome 'goodbye' sequence.
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Post by greenguy on Mar 7, 2008 19:47:23 GMT -5
That whole 'exercise' scene makes me want to wretch, especially coming immediately after what was hands-down the best scene in Heroine... the awesome 'goodbye' sequence. I agree, the "goodbye" was the best part of Heroine hands down. Runner up for me would be the greenguys sequence.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 7, 2008 22:06:05 GMT -5
That whole 'exercise' scene makes me want to wretch, especially coming immediately after what was hands-down the best scene in Heroine... the awesome 'goodbye' sequence. I agree, the "goodbye" was the best part of Heroine hands down. Runner up for me would be the greenguys sequence. Blasphemy against your fellow greenlings.
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Post by MelMac on Mar 7, 2008 22:41:55 GMT -5
I agree, the "goodbye" was the best part of Heroine hands down. Runner up for me would be the greenguys sequence. Blasphemy against your fellow greenlings. They're tied with me - they, along with the beginning, feel closer to the beliefs behind "GAH" in my opinion than the rest of the episode. Yes, I do feel and always will that Ralph, Bill and to a lesser extent Pam were given odd characterizations to their regular series personas, but even I'll admit that parts of that story felt like part of the original series.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 7, 2008 23:32:51 GMT -5
I think Bill and Pam were bang on the entire time.
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Post by MelMac on Mar 8, 2008 0:27:37 GMT -5
I think Bill and Pam were bang on the entire time. IMHO only they made bit a bit more sexist than he finished out in the original series (though I loved the "You picked a SKIRT!" line ). Yes, he did mellow out like he did with Pam in the series, but it was as if they forgot what happened in the original series with him IMHO. Pam is probably the closest to her portrayal on the series, but even there I think she'd done more to stop Ralph from being that egotistical first. Well, that or split with him based on his behavior, because while she did like the creature comforts (i.e. "Best Desk Scenario") I don't think she'd let Ralph get that loose with the suit so to speak. The only time I think Ralph was Ralph was after he was fired to the group's goodbyes. The embarrassment when he was found out too was closer to his original self, but the whole beetle scene up to the "I have to resign?" bit was almost as if Ralph got hit by the train again and had a character change. None of my assessments of the characters are based on how Katt, Sellecca and Culp played them. They played them terrific in my opinion, but they weren't at least quite the same as we remember them. Even with the passing of a few years, the change wouldn't be quite that drastic.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 8, 2008 1:19:18 GMT -5
You don't know that, Mel. I have seen some people a few years later and they are the exact opposite of how they used to be. To me, it was a logical extension of how they might have acted. Plus, I could see that Pam might have been relieved at first and then became annoyed and that is the moment we saw it. As for Bill, I think he learned what could be from Pam so he was more accepting of Holly. I think the only thing that was wonky was the apparent acceptance by Bill of Sarah at the end.
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Post by mmderdekea on Mar 8, 2008 17:32:07 GMT -5
Don't worry, HD, at some point, Bill sneaked into Holly's house one night, picked up a sleeping Sarah, drove out to Palmsdale and left her for the GGs to pick up and give to JJ Beck and Marshall for them to have to deal with, as punishment for abusing the suit! Mona
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 8, 2008 17:33:33 GMT -5
Don't worry, HD, at some point, Bill sneaked into Holly's house one night, picked up a sleeping Sarah, drove out to Palmsdale and left her for the GGs to pick up and give to JJ Beck and Marshall for them to have to deal with, as punishment for abusing the suit! Mona That would have been a fun episode to see.
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