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Post by jasonrobertyates on Mar 5, 2005 16:37:09 GMT -5
like the story of the boy who pulled the wings off the fly.
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Post by Lupin on Mar 11, 2005 10:44:57 GMT -5
For the sake of argument, if it did suck, it sucked because it wasn't written by Stephen J. Cannell or Patrick Hasburgh. LOL, most probably
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Post by ThatGirl on Mar 11, 2005 11:11:40 GMT -5
That makes sense. Cannell is the magic behind the whole thing. It never works to try to remake someone else's magic.
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Post by foreverknight28 on Mar 20, 2005 3:45:17 GMT -5
hi everyone i am new here and have not yet fully caught up to anything yet but will .. so i am going to throw my 2 cents about "heroine " it sucked for a lot of reasons well 3 or 4 really and they are 1.the way ralph got caught in the suit was well unexplained really . i mean he saved a girl's life and she just happen to know who ralph was?...then the president show up ?.. didn't anyone find this odd ? 2. i couldn't belive they gave ralph a big ego.. didn't work .. 3. our heroine was bubble head ... with blonde hair .. who worked with kids .. in other woirds the producers tried to make a female ralph and falied . along with some crappy writing .. and the 2 plot holes i just wrote about are reason why this spin off never took off
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Post by scenario on Mar 20, 2005 10:21:34 GMT -5
On the old boards, someone said they read the script for GAHeroine or something and supposedly Ralph was set up by the government. The government long suspected there was someone like Ralph around, and they worked hard to expose him. They were all waiting for him to come and save that young woman, and I guess she was in on it too by her "Mr. Hinkley, America salutes you!" comment. A lot of GAHeroine's crappiness is also due to it not even being filmed right.
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Post by jasonrobertyates on Mar 20, 2005 11:07:12 GMT -5
that would make sense. cause that whole scene seemed dumb even for the worst writter. adding that it was a government set up would add more to it. maybe it should have been a tv movie length rather than episode length.
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Post by ThatGirl on Mar 20, 2005 15:40:47 GMT -5
That would have only extended the misery. Easier to forget a one hour show than a two hour show. As far as I am concerned, a new show or movie could just ignore the whole thing.
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Post by greenguy on Mar 20, 2005 16:03:21 GMT -5
maybe it should have been a tv movie length rather than episode length. It was originally meant to be a 2 hour tv movie. The 2 hr script reads much better than what was filmed. No one wanted to pony up the cost of the tv movie, so the script was basically chopped here and there. That's why the pilot seems so disjointed, there's a huge amount of material missing. BUT although the 2hr script does read better, in the end, casting as it was, etc. I still don't feel it would have worked.
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Apr 4, 2005 9:53:55 GMT -5
Regarding the instruction booklet thing in Heroine, what they filmed is actually better than how the script was originally written, where Ralph simply 'forgets to ask' about a new booklet. Now THAT is lame!
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Post by MelMac on May 13, 2005 22:51:49 GMT -5
Since I did a reasons why the spinoff did work, I may as well write why it didn't work. For me, the biggest reason it didn't work was the way the story was written. Cut up or not, it feels more like a live action cartoon. This was particularly noticible in the bar scenes where Holly's overshirt sleeve splits when she arm wrestles, revealing the suit underneath. It got worse when, during the fight, the guy grabs Holly from behind, and her street clothes rip off to reveal the suit. "The Greatest American Hero" never had that cartoony feel, other than Ralph wearing the suit. The original run felt more like it could happen in real life.
Another thing I disliked was the training sequence. Not only are most of the practices unnecessary, as kicking and pushing something are everyday skills, but the scene filled up time that could have been used to explain how they found out about Ralph, thus deleting that story hole.
The suit style was the only other thing I didn't like about the show. The updated version Holly wore felt out of place (probably just as well). While the suit was supposed to look ridiculous, this version looked horrible. I always liked the style Ralph wore, with a tunic, which would have worked fine on anyone. Also, the shiny material made it look like a superhero suit, not a pair of pajamas, which was part of the fun.
Oh well, despite the problems, the spinoff pilot offered a chance to bring the show back, which doesn't always happen and to my knowledge has worked once: the current "Doctor Who."
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Post by scenario on May 15, 2005 8:46:56 GMT -5
I always thought the suit should look cool as well, like the Pilot episode of GAH. It will look ridiculous by the very nature that it is a superhero looking costume, but I never liked it when they seemed to make it extra silly and campy looking.
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Post by ThatGirl on May 15, 2005 9:03:45 GMT -5
Yes, sometimes it seemed worse than other times.
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Post by MrsMaxwell on Aug 27, 2005 6:08:51 GMT -5
OK, this is an old thread but I just watched "Heroine" again last night..... The lighting could have been better. The begining "flashback" seen was way too dark! And, I know Bill was in his office late at night, but come on now! The fight scene was too dark too. Its so typical of 1980's NBC production quality. NBC= Nothing But Crap. I'm surprised no one mentioned the anoying little girl who lived with Holly. She makes me wince every time I watch the DVD. I personally like the "new" suit Ralph was wearing. He looked quite good in it. I could'nt understand why Bill started dessing like the lead singer of Def Leppard, but I enjoyed that too. (acid-wash jeans, rolled up sleeves, and sneakers) Holly was annoying as all hell, and Connie Selleca had too much eye makeup on. However, It was 1986 and so did I. Enough ranting for me... Happy Scenarios!
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Post by billswoman on Aug 27, 2005 7:58:00 GMT -5
I could'nt understand why Bill started dessing like the lead singer of Def Leppard, but I enjoyed that too. (acid-wash jeans, rolled up sleeves, and sneakers) Cool pic of Bill!! I'm just glad they didn't put him in a Members Only jacket, orange Reeboks and a mullet! (Shuddering at the thought of it...)
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Post by scenario on Aug 27, 2005 10:21:21 GMT -5
I liked that it was made in 1986, just a few years after the series went off the air, so the cast still looked basically the same as the series. Culp had his white hair and he looked a bit older, but Katt and Sellecca didn't look too much older. I liked seeing that.
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Post by MelMac on Aug 30, 2005 1:18:52 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one mentioned the anoying little girl who lived with Holly. She makes me wince every time I watch the DVD. I personally like the "new" suit Ralph was wearing. He looked quite good in it. I could'nt understand why Bill started dessing like the lead singer of Def Leppard, but I enjoyed that too. (acid-wash jeans, rolled up sleeves, and sneakers) Holly was annoying as all hell, and Connie Selleca had too much eye makeup on. However, It was 1986 and so did I. Enough ranting for me... Happy Scenarios! You make a good point about the little girl. She was a little to saccharine. When I watched Kevin, I felt like he was a normal kid, having fun, etc. When I saw her, I felt like she was acting a little too mature for her age. There are kids who act that way, but combined with Holly, it made her annoying instead of endearing. As far as the suit, I should have clarified I liked the version Ralph wore, except for the material. The fit and color were good, but the shinny material used was not flattering on Katt. Granted, Ralph was going to be handing the suit over, but they should have kept the main part of the suit the same as it was in the show, dull side out. The metallic red trim on the cape was fine, though. I disliked Holly's version, which, IMO, did not work at all because they changed the style to a one piece suit. It looked better as a two-piece suit. Speaking of Bill's attire, I just noticed in the pic of the three, Ralph is dressed very similar to what he normally wore in the show. Pam's is also similar in style to her clothes from the original show. Bill was the only one who went drastically different. It's almost as though they took the idea of changing of the guard in the visual sense, with the trio of Ralph/Pam/Bill (the past) and Bill/Holly (the future) and let their clothes reflect that.
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Post by MrsMaxwell on Aug 30, 2005 22:31:06 GMT -5
I kinda liked the material.... Along with the haircut, he looked like a more "polished" super-hero. But I guess that's contrary to the show's original concept.
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Post by MelMac on Aug 31, 2005 1:18:43 GMT -5
Along with the haircut, he looked like a more "polished" super-hero. But I guess that's contrary to the show's original concept. MrsMaxwell, I think you hit the nail on the head with that one. That may be why the material bothered me so much as well. Ralph was supposed to be an ordinary, average guy given a suit with special powers, and has trouble learning to balance his two "lives." Having him as a "polished" superhero made him a bit more egotistical than the Ralph Hinkley, schoolteacher, we grew to know and love (though they did have him be reluctant of the publicity at first). Another, though minor thing that bugged me about the GAHeroine pilot was it appeared that Ralph was teaching at an elementary school. When he goes to see Holly to test her worthiness to wear the suit, the class is full of young students learning art. I can't tell whether Holly is teaching kindergarten or helping out in an afterschool program. Now, after watching "Thirty Seconds Over Little Tokyo," I'm a bit confused as to whether he was still teaching special education or not. Not sure, but I think that failing to get tenure doesn't mean you automatically get fired from teaching. It also doesn't help that the GAHeroine pilot was majorly chopped to fit an hour format, causing gaping plot holes. If he wasn't teaching or Holly taught an afterschool program, his appearance would have made sense. However, if he was teaching, when did he have time (other than lunch) to leave Whitney High and go over to the elementary school?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Sept 12, 2005 15:56:33 GMT -5
I watched HEROINE again today and I did not care for a lot of it, even though if you scroll down a post, you will see I have reasons that it did not suck. The main reason it sucked was because people were in love with the old crew and it is hard to change two major roles with a new one. Plus, I hated how Ralph had to pass on the suit. Did JJ Beck get to pass the suit on? Why does Ralph get too? JJ Beck said that the green guys took his back. Also, where did the other green guys come from? In the episodes in the original season, there was one and a little robot green guy who gave them translators (which they did not need in the last one). In the last one, there were three green guys. In addition, they took Pam's WHOLE CAR into the spaceship. I was not fond of the way the green guys referred to Bill as an associate and then seemed to "so-so" give approval. He had helped save the world a lot by being so gung-ho about things and Ralph and Pam helped bring him along a lot, like in the GOOD SAMARITAN. I hated the training scene too. I think something should have happened where Bill and Holly ran into Carlisle, who had no scene in the new pilot. Is there no FBI nemesis now? So do Pam and Ralph just give Bill the finger and run off? Do they never see each other again after five years of greatness together? Finally, I hated how Ralph got set up. We have seen him before with the ego, especially in the baseball episode, but how did they figure out who Ralph was? I agree that this is what ruined the premise overall.
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Post by billswoman on Sept 12, 2005 16:23:25 GMT -5
"So do Pam and Ralph just give Bill the finger and run off?"
LOL, this was funny, and i didn't even watch it! I might someday, when I get S1 on DVD.
If the green guys simply refer to my man Bill as an "associate", then the heck with watching this, i already say it sucks.
If he wasn't a full partner on the team, they shouldn't have thrown him and Ralph together!
I'll just be sure not to write fanfics that work their way into 1986, so I don't have to account for canon changes from GAHeroine, heh.
Besides, I was off having a kidlet in 1986 when all this was happening, I had better things to do. Oh, wait, that was reality, Helen, nm.
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