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Post by MelMac on May 15, 2007 18:54:30 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Katt starting appearing in a handful of basicially 'soft core' adult films right around that time - I remember seeing him on the cover of a few of the video boxes (I used to run a video store yearssss ago) and being a little surprised he took those roles... He did a few, and he's not proud of doing them according to interviews he's done in recent years. But, he's done/appeared in more shows that people would normally watch, same with the others, and everyone has a dark spot/time in their past. Mary Ellen Stuart, however, has only been in a few roles. Probably a good thing there, as she wasn't that good of an actor. I've wondered why they cast her in the first place (other than looks). Was she the first person they auditioned and they said: OK, got the looks and physique needed for Holly. She'll do.
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on May 16, 2007 14:43:33 GMT -5
I know. It's such a shame because, with Culp in the cast, even a somewhat decent actress would have helped and who knows?.... the pilot may have done OK. But I don't think she came remotely close to fitting that somewhat decent category actress-wise. (I still blame it all on Katt for not wanting to reprise the role, however)
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Post by MelMac on May 16, 2007 15:18:40 GMT -5
I know. It's such a shame because, with Culp in the cast, even a somewhat decent actress would have helped and who knows?.... the pilot may have done OK. But I don't think she came remotely close to fitting that somewhat decent category actress-wise. (I still blame it all on Katt for not wanting to reprise the role, however) Mind you, I like Culp too, but I've also felt the pilot failed because he was the teammate. They should've handed the suit over to a new team, as if I had watched this in '86 (had it aired) I'd been like "What's wrong with Ralph's mind? And who's this crazy girl with Bill?" But, again, casting would've been key and we'd probably had a poor teammate as well. Other than the fact he was working on "Perry Mason" movies by then, I understand for this episode Katt not wanting to be a part of a spinoff/restart. That suit he wore even I'd be embarrassed about wearing, mostly because it's the shiny side out. And, this comes from someone who had to wear a pinafore, petticoat and blouse with her hair in puppy dog ears at age 27 for a parade at Fiesta Texas four days a week. There was always a crowd at those parades. And, as someone once said, if Connie couldn't be there as Pam, it was better for Ralph to not be there first place. They were great together, and it'd be harder to have a show without her now that Ralph and Pam were married. What they could've done however, was wait a couple of more years and do that TV movie like Katt wanted to do in the early '90s or until all three actors were available. It might've worked then, maybe not as long as the original series, but who knows?
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on May 21, 2007 14:10:22 GMT -5
I didn't realize Katt ever wanted to do such a movie. That true?
Every time I hear him speak about GAH, he always seems to not have really appreciated it - it surprises me that he would have been willing to ever get back in 'The Suit', but man that sure would have been great.
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Post by MelMac on May 21, 2007 14:29:06 GMT -5
I didn't realize Katt ever wanted to do such a movie. That true? Every time I hear him speak about GAH, he always seems to not have really appreciated it - it surprises me that he would have been willing to ever get back in 'The Suit', but man that sure would have been great. Greenguy had a story on the main site from the Houston Chronicle from about 1993 about it. It just never came to fruition. I've never been a huge fan of the Chronicle (they should've closed it and not the Houston Post, which was a better paper overall), it is overall accurate in its reporting. (there are always errors, but not entire story errors. ) To me, from observing, a lot of people seem to diss Katt because he hated a costume. Being someone who's worn a heck of a lot of funny costumes at 27 and 28 (when I was working at Fiesta Texas), I can vouch there are times you feel very self-conscious wearing strange outfits in front of lots of people especially this age, which is close to Katt's when he wore the suit. My parade costume in particular was seen by at least 500 or more people 20-25 minutes a day - four days a week. While I enjoyed wearing the costume and performing, I was at times self conscious of it because I was 27 and wearing that outfit. I'm trying to find a photo to best show this, but so far, no luck. On the flip side, people here also gush about how Culp seems to have enjoyed working on the series, but he was known to have a stubborn streak (he's missing a good portion of two eps, and has doubles in his place), and he's gone on record as saying the show was "Trivial." From what I feel and see I think the suit is the only thing Katt didn't like, and that's understandable. But IMO, when it came time to deliver, he did even wearing that outfit. I never have felt, from when I watched it at 2 and now, that I see Katt wearing the suit. I see Ralph. He might not at the time had seen the show for what it really was, but he does talk about his time on the show when asked and while reserved (which is his manner of speaking - as in not braggart or other style of speech), he talks about it fondly.
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Jun 6, 2007 16:13:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I hear you. I really do. But in the interviews I've seen Katt in concerning GAH (and to be honest I'm only talking about maybe 3 interviews tops), he always seems like he's bored about it, doesn't want to really discuss it or (most importantly) still to this day doesn't understand why it's so popular or why people remember it (and him) so well. That dumbfounds me, but maybe that's just me reading into it too much...
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Post by MelMac on Jun 6, 2007 16:49:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I hear you. I really do. But in the interviews I've seen Katt in concerning GAH (and to be honest I'm only talking about maybe 3 interviews tops), he always seems like he's bored about it, doesn't want to really discuss it or (most importantly) still to this day doesn't understand why it's so popular or why people remember it (and him) so well. That dumbfounds me, but maybe that's just me reading into it too much... Possibly, just like I admit that sometime I might read too much into Culp's interview. I've always felt his was a bit more of an act. (And, please don't bash me about a weird POV. I've also had debates with people on how adventurine is not jade, though both are green - and other colors. ) I've just seen Katt as more reserved about it, and wish I could do an interview about the show and other aspects of his work. To me, he seems a bit like Hugh Laurie, a man who's done a lot of work in his time, but is always very formal and reserved (sometimes sounding boring) when he gets interviewed. Nothing wrong with it at all, except yes, it does read as "bored" and "unwilling to discuss it." Then there's one other possibility: He has trouble trying to explain his experience - in all aspects. It's been a while too, and memories can be spotty, leading to pauses trying to remember. As an example, when I talk about my time being mascot at my college, there are many great memories. However, when you ask me about playoffs, I can't tell you much about when we went to Colorado (this is now 8 years ago - I can imagine trying to remember something from 24 years ago when he gave that interview). I suffered altitude sickness and heat problems (it's the only time I've ever come close to passing out in a mascot suit), and as a result, parts of my memory are spotty (I still think part of me passed out, though I didn't, if that makes sense). So, when I try to talk about it, I tend to seem a bit vacant, trying to figure out how to explain parts of that trip. It's embarrassing to me, because I really wish I remembered more about that night, because I pretty much remember clearly are the dizzy spell, the team lost in three games, and I had a BLT for dinner. Also, if he does seem to have a harder time about talking about it, there was a point in time where he was probably stereotyped because of the show. Now, the true test is to overcome that typing, and he has done that well. I just wish they'd quit making him the corpus deletici in murder mysteries. Let him be the villain a few times, huh?
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Jul 26, 2007 10:36:36 GMT -5
Katt's a stoner. Who knows what he remembers... No, seriously, I do wonder how much of a total bitch that rig must have been in Season 3 that he had to slip into in order to simulate the flying scenes. From everything I've read, it sounded like a real pain to deal with.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 26, 2007 11:49:43 GMT -5
Katt's a stoner. Who knows what he remembers... No, seriously, I do wonder how much of a total bitch that rig must have been in Season 3 that he had to slip into in order to simulate the flying scenes. From everything I've read, it sounded like a real pain to deal with. You know this thread is why HEROINE didn't suck, right?
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Post by MelMac on Jul 26, 2007 12:59:42 GMT -5
Katt's a stoner. Who knows what he remembers... No, seriously, I do wonder how much of a total bitch that rig must have been in Season 3 that he had to slip into in order to simulate the flying scenes. From everything I've read, it sounded like a real pain to deal with. He said he did try drugs in an old "Playgirl" magazine, but that was way back when in the '70s when it was the in thing to do it seemed. Did everyone do that? - no, but that is highlighted a lot in shows and such now. The third season rig (if I remember the article correctly) involved three chest or body plates designed to fit Katt. He was then mounted onto the rig and there was some sort of knob that would tilt him forward and such. The cameras apparently would move around if they wanted Ralph to "wobble" sharply or dive forward. -------------------------- To make sure this remains GAHeroine, this is one big thing that didn't work with her. Because they used Magicam and not Zoptic, Holly looks like she's bobbing up and down on a wire in her flying scene. The crash, however, looked good overall.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 26, 2007 13:05:41 GMT -5
MelMac, you aren't supposed to be critical of it in this thread, you know. There are other threads for that. Saying something was bad AND good is iffy.
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Post by MelMac on Jul 26, 2007 13:11:03 GMT -5
MelMac, you aren't supposed to be critical of it in this thread, you know. There are other threads for that. Saying something was bad AND good is iffy. I'm always that way it seems. But, the crash was good, the flying was unrealistic. The show doesn't suck because we do know that the greenguys will let a woman wear the suit and that at least if someone hands over the suit they'd still have their memories. (Family and friends though might be different.)
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Post by Maxwell - F.B.I. on Jul 27, 2007 11:26:42 GMT -5
GAHeroine did not (fully) suck thanks mainly to the "Goodbye" scene, plain and simple.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 27, 2007 11:37:20 GMT -5
GAHeroine did not (fully) suck thanks mainly to the "Goodbye" scene, plain and simple. AND the fact that Connie was in it at all, looking as wonderful as ever.
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Post by mmderdekea on Jul 27, 2007 21:24:45 GMT -5
Hello, all,
Whether one likes or does not like GAHeroine or likes aspects of it (Bill) and hates aspects of it (Holly and Brat Child and the snide green guy remarks about Bill and Ralph turning into a jackass), I'm kind of surprised that some folks actually consider it part of the GAH canon.
I can't fathom why anyone would believe a badly conceptualized, partial snippet of an episode, a failed pilot, is actually a canonical part of GAH. To me, the whole Holly episode simply never happened. Ralph was not discovered that way, did not become a jerk, Holly was not given the suit. Never ever happened!! The only thing that became part of GAHeroine to me is that Bill aged that gorgeously. ;-)) I don't believe a single aspect of the show occurred at all in any other way.
Am I the only one who absolutely in no uncertain terms does NOT consider GAHeroine to be part of the GAH canon??
Mona
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Post by mmderdekea on Jul 27, 2007 21:26:32 GMT -5
(And Melmac, please note I am COMPLAINING about them turning Ralph into a jerk, as it wasn't fair to his character, so please don't make an issue of it!! Thanks! Mona)
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Post by jopierce on Jul 27, 2007 23:24:06 GMT -5
No Mona... it's not just you. I also ignore GAH Heroine. It never happened.
By the same token, Bill is still the same age - 51-53. Aging? Never happened.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 28, 2007 7:47:27 GMT -5
I know that I think it is canon. If you look at it in the terms of "happening" or not, the last four episodes would not have happened either as they never aired until syndication, just like HEROINE. And come on kids, work with me! This is the "Why it did NOT suck" thread.
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Post by mmderdekea on Jul 28, 2007 9:03:28 GMT -5
Okay, it did not suck because it simply did not happen.
Mona
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Post by MelMac on Jul 28, 2007 17:27:29 GMT -5
(And Melmac, please note I am COMPLAINING about them turning Ralph into a jerk, as it wasn't fair to his character, so please don't make an issue of it!! Thanks! Mona) You kiddin'? I don't consider it canon because it's OOC for Ralph turning into a jerk (all suffer here IMHO - direct or indirect), the shoddy writing (for all), Holly being perfect and knowing the powers, her performance in general, and the kid. ----------------------------- Meaning, you're not dissing Ralph because I feel the same way. Not to mention there's a better way to have had him handover the suit. That's why I wrote my spinoff series. (and... I agree with Mona. It did not suck because it didn't happen. If they bring the show back every, I bet they completely ignore it. )
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