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Post by ralphhinkley on Oct 22, 2008 14:21:38 GMT -5
If Ralph were holding the suit but wasn't wearing it, would he still be able to use his powers?
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Post by greenguy on Oct 22, 2008 14:28:52 GMT -5
If Ralph were holding the suit but wasn't wearing it, would he still be able to use his powers? Welcome to the board! Good question, the suit did deflect a bullet when it was draped over a chair in Divorce Venusian Style. Its possible if Ralph held it in front of him while someone shot, it would deflect it. But only because the suit itself is indestructible, not so much for because of the powers. I don't see Ralph being able to access the suits powers by just holding it. Maybe had the show continued we might have seen something like that.
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Post by Ms Boku on Oct 22, 2008 17:21:00 GMT -5
I thought about this one too but from a different angle. Since the suit repelled the bullet, (while being worn by no one) if someone else was wearing the suit and was shot what would happen?
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Post by MelMac on Oct 22, 2008 17:37:18 GMT -5
I thought about this one too but from a different angle. Since the suit repelled the bullet, (while being worn by no one) if someone else was wearing the suit and was shot what would happen? I've wondered that too, and wondered if the suit will not let someone else put it on save Ralph - as long as he has ownership of the suit. Now, if he were to die or become incapacitated to the point he can't wear the suit, someone else might be able to put it on and use it. Would've been an interesting story to have had it where Ralph was injured and couldn't safely use the suit and someone else had to wear it for a time. That said, my opinion only is that if anyone else actually wears the suit, it will not work for them, per Macke's comment "The suit only works on Mr. Hinkley." As far as the suit and the bullet here, my opinion it could be a defense mechanism to avoid being destroyed should it be removed from the wearer, as it survives both the bullet and a torch.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 22, 2008 19:00:21 GMT -5
I believe that the suit would be indestructible in terms of bullets on its own as GG mentioned happened in DIVORCE. However, I don't see Ralph being able to use telekinesis while only holding the suit.
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Post by Ms Boku on Oct 22, 2008 20:09:46 GMT -5
I believe that the suit would be indestructible in terms of bullets on its own as GG mentioned happened in DIVORCE. However, I don't see Ralph being able to use telekinesis while only holding the suit. So if someone else were to wear the suit and get shot at would the bullets penetrate and kill the person? If not then to that extent would the suit work?
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Post by MST3Claye on Oct 22, 2008 20:13:15 GMT -5
I believe that the suit would be indestructible in terms of bullets on its own as GG mentioned happened in DIVORCE. However, I don't see Ralph being able to use telekinesis while only holding the suit. So if someone else were to wear the suit and get shot at would the bullets penetrate and kill the person? If not then to that extent would the suit work? I wonder if the bullets would morph or pass through the suit like Ralph passes through walls and such and then hit/injure/enter the wearer who doesn't have the protection of the suit. Or maybe the suit would open up a hole where the bullet would enter and then reconnect. Great ideas to make a story from.
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Post by Ms Boku on Oct 22, 2008 20:26:12 GMT -5
So if someone else were to wear the suit and get shot at would the bullets penetrate and kill the person? If not then to that extent would the suit work? I wonder if the bullets would morph or pass through the suit like Ralph passes through walls and such and then hit/injure/enter the wearer who doesn't have the protection of the suit. Or maybe the suit would open up a hole where the bullet would enter and then reconnect. Great ideas to make a story from. well, there would have to be a reeeeal good explanation as to why and how it would happen. I does bear thinking about...
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 22, 2008 20:26:25 GMT -5
I think that the suit would not function if worn by someone who was not supposed to wear the suit. If they were holding it, I believe it might.
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Post by MelMac on Oct 22, 2008 21:06:44 GMT -5
I think it'd depend a lot on the person holding the suit too if it were to give anyone protection just holding it. Example, I could see the cape protecting a child or someone from fire or other event if Ralph put it on them. But, if the person was evil and holding it, I could see the suit actually not work and the person is wounded still. It'd also not work as far as protecting others until Ralph or true wearer wore it again. That said, I could see it work as far as protecting itself if the evildoer in disgust throws the suit into a fire or tries to destroy it.
As far as the suit and bullet holes - IMHO if someone was holding it and was evil and they were shot through the suit, when Ralph finally got it and put it back on, it'd repair itself because it's the right wearer. Someone wrote a fanfiction one time about that theory.
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Post by Videofox on Oct 22, 2008 21:08:09 GMT -5
In "Divorce" Ralph is clearly shown going into super-speed to finish putting on the suit before the tunic is completely on, so it's possible he has access to *some* power at least just by being in physical contact with the suit. (And I hope it wasn't just sped up in post production to shorten the sequence...the technical reasons are quite inferior to the fantasy ones.) And I believe the suit by itself is indestructible, so a bullet would bounce off regardless. If someone other than Ralph was wearing it at the time, it would hurt like heck from the impact, but wouldn't penetrate. That's just what I think.
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Post by MelMac on Oct 22, 2008 21:15:33 GMT -5
And I believe the suit by itself is indestructible, so a bullet would bounce off regardless. If someone other than Ralph was wearing it at the time, it would hurt like heck from the impact, but wouldn't penetrate. That's just what I think. Only argument I have as far as someone other than Ralph being protected if actually wearing the suit is that in the Pilot, Macke clearly says that "the suit only works on Mr. Hinkley, no one else." I just don't think that anyone else wearing the suit save the actual wearer would get to do the things that the wearer can do or be protected. That said, this doesn't mean that if say Ralph was in the hospital with some sort of injury and there's a big catastrophic disaster on its way that the suit wouldn't transfer to someone else who could help and after the day was saved and Ralph was well again, it'd transfer back.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Oct 23, 2008 8:51:38 GMT -5
I am still of the mindset that if you put it on knowing it does not work for you, it probably won't. Had Kevin found it, it is possible that he might have tried it on and been saved due to ignorance. However, had Bill put it on and been in trouble, I think he could have died or been injured.
As for the speeding sequence, once Ralph decides to put the suit on, I think it begins to work with him. He could run in SAMARITAN after all even though he was not wearing the cape.
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Post by MelMac on Apr 13, 2009 21:43:07 GMT -5
I am still of the mindset that if you put it on knowing it does not work for you, it probably won't. Had Kevin found it, it is possible that he might have tried it on and been saved due to ignorance. However, had Bill put it on and been in trouble, I think he could have died or been injured. As for the speeding sequence, once Ralph decides to put the suit on, I think it begins to work with him. He could run in SAMARITAN after all even though he was not wearing the cape. That's true too - he was able to even absorb punches to the gut or jaw even as he was mostly covered by the suit. I wish that they had filmed "The Long Fall at Ten, Two and Four" which did debate the issue of whether the suit would protect Ralph even if a piece was missing. In that one Ralph was a stunt double and in one case takes off the cape and belt before doing a dive off the side of the building. He lands uninjured (just cracks in the ground), but he does in fact feel the main brunt of the fall instead of what he normally does. It's an interesting concept that I wish they had considered - then again, for all we know, the animated shorts could be using that particular story, as it was meant to be filmed, but wasn't for some reason (forgot what).
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 13, 2009 23:26:07 GMT -5
In the episode with the bike gang where they took Ralphs suit and one of them tried it on and was both hit in the gut and tried to fly off the roof and failed. So the thought that if you beilive that it would work by just believing it .... doesn't work. But the question is, if somebody other than Ralph puts on the suit and someoneshoots that person ..... Will the bullet just pass through or just act as a very tough longjphns that will give but not breakdown.
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Post by MelMac on Apr 13, 2009 23:35:28 GMT -5
In the episode with the bike gang where they took Ralphs suit and one of them tried it on and was both hit in the gut and tried to fly off the roof and failed. So the thought that if you beilive that it would work by just believing it .... doesn't work. But the question is, if somebody other than Ralph puts on the suit and someoneshoots that person ..... Will the bullet just pass through or just act as a very tough longjphns that will give but not breakdown. You know - I think it can be either/or with anyone but Ralph. Fanfic writers have shown a possibility with both scenarios. Maybe it's one of the things they're going to visit when the comic goes past the first three comics.
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Post by greenguy on Apr 14, 2009 7:06:13 GMT -5
So the thought that if you beilive that it would work by just believing it .... doesn't work. Very true, as stated in the pilot "The suit will work on Mr. Hinkley only.........."
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Apr 14, 2009 11:35:07 GMT -5
In the episode with the bike gang where they took Ralphs suit and one of them tried it on and was both hit in the gut and tried to fly off the roof and failed. So the thought that if you beilive that it would work by just believing it .... doesn't work. But the question is, if somebody other than Ralph puts on the suit and someoneshoots that person ..... Will the bullet just pass through or just act as a very tough longjphns that will give but not breakdown. Good points. I think that wearing it will not protect you, but that holding it might. After all, no one was wearing it in DIVORCE but the bullets and fire did not penetrate it. It might be determinate upon intent too.
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 14, 2009 12:12:56 GMT -5
Okay, here is one for ya to think about .... what about the green guys white suits .... do they have powers? If they do, then they are used to the powers therefore no need for an instruction book as for an earthling, they would need a special suit for their DNA is different from theirs.
THey have the power to erase memory then it stand to reason they have powers. BUT!!! if that was the case, how come they let their world end up as a wasteland, unless too much power is what caused it.
With that said, it would be a very interesting story if they go back to how THAT all happened and see if from their point of view and how they ended up at earth and choosing Ralph.
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Post by mmderdekea on Apr 14, 2009 13:59:29 GMT -5
Not all of us see GAHeroine as canon, Butterfingers. I certainly don't. I don't believe the GG really have the memory erasing power. What caused the GG to lose their world is also completely up for extrapolation, but apparently they feel so guilty about destroying their garden planet they are trying to keep other intelligent species on the few garden planets left from doing the unfortunate same.
As for what the suit can and can't do, since none of us know as the show never made any of this clear or answered any questions of this sort, any and all conjecture is allowable. I myself believe a bullet would not penetrate the suit, but the impact of the bullet could kill the wearer (if not Ralph), and I believe skin would be fried if a non-Ralph wearer had the suit on with a blow torch applied, even though the suit would not be harmed.
Mona
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